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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  |
There NOTHING signed informing southbound driving tourists of this requirement. Not everyone reads Baja Nomad or calls the consulate before heading to
Mexico on the whim.
So, you can hardly fault folks... |
There are many laws in Mexico. It would be illogical for them to put up highway signs to inform visitors about every law, eh?
The lack of highways signs is not a valid excuse for breaking any law!
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grace59
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| Quote: Originally posted by CortezBlue | Hello Grace
Why don't you call Lolita down at the round about, who does immigration work and ask her. I don't have her number handy, but if I find it I will U2U
it to you |
Thanks, Cortez. That is a good idea. I have her email so I will send her a message. She handled our RP Cards. I was just wondering about the Enhanced
Driver's License as when my friend got it she was told that it worked for travel into Mexico and Canada, but it is my understanding that it won't work
for the FMM. I know that there is only a slim chance that she will be asked to get one (I hear that Immigration has been doing random checks), but I
don't want her vacation to be ruined if there is an issue.
Whenever I hear that rainy, chill wind blow. I think it may be time to head for Mexico. Tengo que obedecer mi corazon!
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sancho
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As in days past, quite a few visitors to San Felipe don't get fmm's, I'm sure
it is still the same. I would say with certanity an enhanced DL
would not be accepted for an fmm. I'm sure Mex Imm does
not know what they are, another option is passport card
$40 dlls? That is if you want to be in compliance
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David K
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Sancho, my statement that you quoted IS correct. There are no signs. [That did not mean it wasn't necessary to get an FMM, as you try to spin it.]
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by David K |
There NOTHING signed informing southbound driving tourists of this requirement. Not everyone reads Baja Nomad or calls the consulate before heading to
Mexico on the whim.
So, you can hardly fault folks... |
There are many laws in Mexico. It would be illogical for them to put up highway signs to inform visitors about every law, eh?
The lack of highways signs is not a valid excuse for breaking any law! |
Let's stay focused goat, IF you are required to have something to enter a country... then a sign for THAT thing that is required makes perfect sense
for anyone driving south. There are signs stating NO AMMO OR FIREARMS before crossing the border.
Logically, a sign should say ALL non-Mexican citizens MUST stop at the INM office just inside Mexico. This would be to 1) Validate pre-paid FMMs
bought at Discover Baja Travel Club or 2) Obtain the FMM.
Naturally, there is an exception and that is if your paid FMM from a previous trip has not yet expired. They could have an FMM holders lane and not
have to park and get out, just show it as you drive past the officer.
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sancho
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Amigo, it is RESPONSIBILTY of the tourist/ visitor to know the Immigration requirements when going to a foreign country, it is
not the responsibility of Mex Imm to post signs.
Aquaint yourself
with this term: 'Ignorance of the law, is not a defense'
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DavidT
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Perhaps you could hire a coyote to guide your friend into Mexico, I would think they would like to make money on their trip south and not just when
going north.
David
Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious.
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Bajahowodd
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I personally think that given all the anti-immigrant/ deport those zealots rhetoric that we US citizens think it's ok to flaunt the law of the
sovereign nation of Mexico.
Over the many decades that I have traveled in Mexico I have encountered so many incidences of inconsistency.
But, at the end of the day, why should we Nomads not respect the written laws of Mexico, regardless of whether we feel they are a joke?
I will always stop and get the FMM when I cross the border. Not really good at playing Russian Roulette.
So, I wonder why DK seems to brush off the idea of international mutual respect.
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David K
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How you read me 180º from what I am typing is not clear to me.
I am all for International respect. As a whole, we respect Mexico enough to use their official ports of entry and not just cross the desert into their
country anywhere we want. We also want our fellow American to be informed about their laws and THAT is why we have this topic for discussion here,
now.
That not everyone reads Baja Nomad is somehow not clear to a few in as much you think there doesn't need to be any signs to alert (non-Nomad reader)
Americans about getting FMMs???
I am for education and educating... not for secrets, surprises, and gotchyas (you should have known) type thinking.
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bajaguy
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Maybe people should research the regulations of the country they intend to visit before they decide to cross the border. That would be the prudent
thing to do.......not expect the country to post billboards explaining their regulations.. It is not the job of the country to educate the traveler.
It is incumbent on the traveler to know what is required
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | How you read me 180º from what I am typing is not clear to me.
I am all for International respect. As a whole, we respect Mexico enough to use their official ports of entry and not just cross the desert into their
country anywhere we want. We also want our fellow American to be informed about their laws and THAT is why we have this topic for discussion here,
now.
That not everyone reads Baja Nomad is somehow not clear to a few in as much you think there doesn't need to be any signs to alert (non-Nomad reader)
Americans about getting FMMs???
I am for education and educating... not for secrets, surprises, and gotchyas (you should have known) type thinking. |
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rts551
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Just how many signs would it take to post all the regulations for those that plead ignorance? Remember the Burma shave signs....we could start in
Ensenada and San Felipe.
[Edited on 1-31-2016 by rts551]
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bajaguy
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Some people would have the Mexican government start posting signs starting at Bakersfield and continuing south to the border
| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | Just how many signs would it take to post all the regulations for those that plead ignorance? Remember the Burma shave signs....we could start in
Ensenada and San Felipe.
[Edited on 1-31-2016 by rts551] |
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bajaguy
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Please write the Mexican Director of Tourism and the Director of Immigration with your thoughts/ideas on this subject and let us know what they say
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | One sign that a tourist permit must be obtained just ahead with a passport. Why is there a no guns & ammo sign at the border? That alone
contradicts your theory? |
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rts551
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | One sign that a tourist permit must be obtained just ahead with a passport. Why is there a no guns & ammo sign at the border? That alone
contradicts your theory? |
You make no sense. Guns get you prison. No questions asked. That is why.
All entry regulations that are a pain, would fill signs to Uhhh Bakersfield. You want free borders going south and a wall going North. BURMA
SHAVE.
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy | Please write the Mexican Director of Tourism and the Director of Immigration with your thoughts/ideas on this subject and let us know what they say
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | One sign that a tourist permit must be obtained just ahead with a passport. Why is there a no guns & ammo sign at the border? That alone
contradicts your theory? |
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They also read Nomad... Remember the hassles of needing to find an open bank to pay for the tourist cards, and then go back to the border to get them
stamped? NO MORE (since 2012)! Change happens slowly sometimes... 12 years in this case since they began charging for tourist cards (mid-2000)... to
allow INM to collect the fee/tax.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | One sign that a tourist permit must be obtained just ahead with a passport. Why is there a no guns & ammo sign at the border? That alone
contradicts your theory? |
I think the 'no guns' sign is on USA side of border, so probably not a mex govt sign.
Dk, should the signs be put up on USA side? Then you should ask CalTrans to do that, as i5 is their jurisdiction.
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David K
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If the sign is on the Mexican side.... wait for it...
IT'S TOO LATE!
Wow. 
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SFandH
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All right, enough. Freeway signs about tourist permits will never happen. I don't think I need to explain why not.
Stop this nonsense.
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rts551
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | All right, enough. Freeway signs about tourist permits will never happen. I don't think I need to explain why not.
Stop this nonsense. |
How true. And unneccesary.
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23S52N
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Signs, signs, everywhere there's signs. Clogging up the scenery, breakin' my mind. Do this, don't do that, can't you read the signs.
Thankya ver mush...
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