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[*] posted on 5-8-2016 at 07:52 PM


Quote: Originally posted by bezzell  
Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  

hat's how 99% of the people respond


nonsense
(maybe 99% off-roaders :P)


Oh, Bezzellzebub is just teasing with all of you; his superior vegetable-fueled intelligence KNOWS the moon travels in an elliptical orbit around the earth, actually bypassing the earth's shadow (except during lunar and solar eclipses, see later....) and the moon doesn't rotate on its' own axis, but as it travels around us displays only ONE SIDE to the sun.... WOW... he said...

So, as the moon comes from in front of us we see the first quarter and half, and as it travels behind us we see a full moon; the course of the moon is elliptical with an apogee and a perigee, which makes it closer and farther away also, which makes the moon bigger and smaller... but I digress. Moon behind us, FULL MOON. Moon in front of us, NEW MOON (no moon, between sun and us) not only no light on moon, but IT'S FREAKING DAYLIGHT, and you'd need optics to see the moon, but it's right there all the time.

NOW: When that elliptical orbit lines up once in a while (those gall-darned scientists can predict it to the second for hunnerts of thousanth's of days behind and in frunt of us, the bastids) and the sun, moon and earth just HAPPEN to hit a shadow line, BINGO! - - - Eclipse. Or partial. A lotta virgins went down during those, prolly like Bezzelzebub. Maybe a few 4x4'ers too, but I doubt many carnivors; we're still here.

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[*] posted on 5-8-2016 at 08:05 PM


:lol: bajaoldmads juiced up on google!
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[*] posted on 5-8-2016 at 08:07 PM


.... I prefer Jameson's...



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[*] posted on 5-8-2016 at 08:20 PM


that was actually pretty funny Bubbha ... extra serving of sugar today? (you know ... THE most essential nutrient for mankind )
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[*] posted on 5-8-2016 at 08:23 PM


Never, and I do mean NEVER touch the stuff. Touche.



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[*] posted on 5-8-2016 at 08:23 PM


Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
and the moon doesn't rotate on its' own axis, but as it travels around us displays only ONE SIDE to the sun....


nope - the moon rotates around it's own axis once in 29 days. And the entire surface of the moon is illuminated once during one 29 day cycle on it's rotation around the sun, however, it displays only one side to earth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QcgDiF1a14&src_vid=W47W...

still looking for an answer for the original question




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[*] posted on 5-8-2016 at 08:31 PM


Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
and the moon doesn't rotate on its' own axis, but as it travels around us displays only ONE SIDE to the sun....


nope - the moon rotates around it's own axis once in 29 days. And the entire surface of the moon is illuminated once during one 29 day cycle on it's rotation around the sun, however, it displays only one side to earth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QcgDiF1a14&src_vid=W47W...

still looking for an answer for the original question


Erm, I believe the earth's gravitational pull holds the moon into a non-axial orbit; it doesn't rotate, but faces us constantly due to our close proximity and gravitational pull. The moon's 'rotation' is due to our gravity, not its' own rotation. I displace your theorems and replace them with one of my own... HAHAHAHAHA! (mythbusters) JUST KIDDING; WHO G / A / F ?? :lol:




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[*] posted on 5-8-2016 at 08:36 PM


Ah it`s just all positions. Look now. The moon is a sliver, the sun has just set. If you go WAY out in outer space, you will see a full moon. There is always a full moon somewhere out there, even if it`s Mark or Jeff dropping their pants!!!
BUT the real deal is coming fast. That would be the moon getting between the earth and sun. This will happen August in 2017. Going clear across the USA. The most watched solar eclipse EVER!!!!
Make your plans now, and don`t settle for 99%. It HAS to be 100% to see the Corona Beer!!!!

Seriously I can`t give the science answer but could give a sitting around the campfire answer by pointing here and there.
Remember on the full moon, the sun sets as the moon rises. And solar eclipses only will happen on a new moon.




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[*] posted on 5-8-2016 at 09:15 PM


Quote: Originally posted by BornFisher  

Remember on the full moon, the sun sets as the moon rises. And solar eclipses only will happen on a new moon.


and all lunar eclipses will happen during a full moon




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[*] posted on 5-8-2016 at 09:18 PM


Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  

nope - the moon rotates around it's own axis once in 29 days.

still looking for an answer for the original question


IF the moon rotated on its own axis every 29 days, and facing the earth at a constant; my pea-brain sez "THAT DOES NOT COMPUTE". If for a fact the moon faces us constantly, AND rotates, wouldn't we see other sides of it? Sounds to me like the poor ol' rock is locked to us like Palin to Alaska (no offense, northern neighbors). We'll see the same smilin' face telling us fables for eternity. So how is it rotating on its' axis??? It ROTATES THE EARTH APROXIMATELY 29 DAYS mas o meno. It's all kinda like old age; one day you wake up and say, '' AW, SHUCKS, GRAVITY WORKS!".

To your original question; due to the elliptical orbit of the moon around the earth, there's always a slight penumbra of the earth's shadow on the moon. You don't always see 100%; just some people have to quibble. Did I win yet, or are you still gonna play professor?:yawn:






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[*] posted on 5-8-2016 at 09:50 PM


Super picture ... simply outstanding ... thanks much

lunar libration

"It’s common knowledge that our moon has a nearside and a farside. One half of the moon always faces Earth, and one half always points away. Does this mean we can only see 50% of the moon’s surface from Earth? No. In fact, over time, it’s possible to see as much as 59% of the moon’s surface, due to a slight north-south rocking and east-west wobbling of the moon known as lunar libration. Follow the links below to learn more:"

http://earthsky.org/space/how-much-of-the-moon-can-we-see-fr...

Knew we could see 50% ... had to look up the other

Thanks again ... for a great question and such a great picture :):)

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Definition of libration~

1: an oscillation in the apparent aspect of a secondary body (as a planet or a satellite) as seen from the primary object around which it revolves.

wow.

A whole NINE PERCENT. Now, that's impressive. Oscillating, which means there's probably a nine-percent loss from the original 50% as well, which either means we see 4.5% of BOTH sides, or 9% of either side, which would mean we'd be seeing 72% OF THE TOTAL MOON'S SURFACE!!!! OK, which is it?

Whew, glad we got that all cleared out for the night-time scholars out there.

And all this time I thought 'librations' was a form of liquid entertainment, or oscillatory entertainments of the 'toy' variety, found in many Ensenada motels.

Man, I love this Chit! What else can you entertain yourself with after late-nite TV?????????? :bounce:




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[*] posted on 5-8-2016 at 10:59 PM


here is your rotation answer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZIB_leg75Q




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[*] posted on 5-8-2016 at 11:07 PM


so, both earth and the moon are rotating around the sun
earth's pattern is pretty simple
but the moon's path is cool:

http://tube.geogebra.org/m/HqK3sujy




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[*] posted on 5-9-2016 at 03:25 AM


Wow. I also heard there's a ring around Uranus.

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[*] posted on 5-9-2016 at 06:19 AM


Moon rotates in (serendipitous or causal) synchronistic orbit with earth. Seeing only half or quarter or whatever phase is just the relative positioning with our viewpoint. Half of the Moon is always lit, just like Earth.
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[*] posted on 5-9-2016 at 06:49 AM


The "dark side of the moon" is also a misnomer as it gets as much sunlight each month as the side which always faces the earth.



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[*] posted on 5-9-2016 at 08:25 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron  
Moon rotates in (serendipitous or causal) synchronistic orbit with earth. Seeing only half or quarter or whatever phase is just the relative positioning with our viewpoint. Half of the Moon is always lit, just like Earth.


you are on to something




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[*] posted on 5-9-2016 at 02:53 PM


Trying to understand the question. Could another way to ask it be: "Why is the moon not always full?"



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[*] posted on 5-9-2016 at 03:34 PM


Quote: Originally posted by BooJumMan  
Trying to understand the question. Could another way to ask it be: "Why is the moon not always full?"


it's always full - but not from our perspective




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