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Changes in the environment may favor one species, while harming another. For an example, there have been several years since I have been fishing
Alaskan waters, that have had a bust in the Chinook and Coho salmon runs while the Sockeye runs exploded! That was for fish returning to the same
spawning grounds.
From what I see reported on this forum, it seems that colder water temps do not favor fishing in the Sea of Cortez, but it may be good for other
species. If the cold water is an up welling bringing nutrient rich water into the sunlight, it might be a boost to the bottom of the food chain.
Just a small ray of hope for a dismal situation. Yes, I know...hope in one hand and shift in the other, and see which one fills up faster!
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Here is the SST temp map from NOAA. See all the yellow on the Baja side of the SOC even some green. Very unusual for this time of year.
Sea Temps SOC
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David K
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Bigger map please... I am old now. 
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Quote: Originally posted by seasider  | If we are going to solve the problem and submit our report to fisheries  we need
to address a few issues:
The billfish prefer warmer water than even dorado so why are they more numerous this year?
I,m guessing it has a lot to do with where the fish go when they aren't in Baja and what happens to them when they are there.
That's just one of my issues with the feds in US and Canada. With all the technological advances and resources available they should have a better
understanding of where the fish are at all times.
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I think it all has to do with which species is tastier!
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I included the link just for you. I am still a little "picture challenged" on Nomad.
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David K
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The link is to the same small image on Photobucket. Can you give the link you got it from?
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by seasider | | I,ve thought about this for awhile, so will ask the question why the billfishing seems to be better than other years yet the dorado fishing is very
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Very good point.
What some folks don't want to consider that it is very NORMAL for things to be DIFFERENT from year to year.
The ocean (and the land) of this planet is dynamic, not static. Climates change, temperatures fluctuate, the sea moves and all the animals do too.
The changes have happened and will continue to happen rather man's activities are in the mix or not. Being conservative and only taking what we need
to survive without waste or destroying other things is wise behavior. But, to blame everything that is different on man has no benefit to improving
anything. Learn to be flexible and to adjust to the changes. Animals have since the beginning. If the food runs out in one place, they go to another
if they want to eat. They don't blame each other, raise taxes, and wait for the food to come to them, do they? (That's supposed to be a funny)
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I don't even know where to start with this gibberish (that's supposed to be funny).
That argument is canned. It is an across the board cop out for doing anything. Is shrimping "conservative"? Where they only take what they need to
survive? Do you think the commercial fleets raking in the dorado are only doing it to "survive"? Blaming man for the destruction of the fisheries in
the Cortez is well...gosh, maybe because of man? Yes fish come and go...yes the weather and tides change...but you are dreaming about an ocean and
world 100-150 years ago that had no substantial impact from humans. You constantly do this DK: you equate everything over the last 10,000 years to a
simple "scientific" solution that "things change and they always will". Take that equation and add six billion humans.
Animals raising taxes...seriously, have you lost your mind?
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I think we're up to 7 billion now, in case that fact has any bearing on the discussion.
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Come on, relax... are you going to live all stressed out because of some small temperature changes or will you adapt? Which one works the best?
Here's that temp map, bigger:
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And then there are my two Calif. buddies that go down late June early July and come back bragging about hauling in 30 or more Dorado a day in the
past.. Probably there are several hundred doing the same thing... Can't imagine that this would affect anything in our fishing world...
Here in Colorado we do work on catch and release so there is another day of good fishing... Then again there are folks doing the same as the Calif.
buddies in these parts I am sure...
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by seasider | | I,ve thought about this for awhile, so will ask the question why the billfishing seems to be better than other years yet the dorado fishing is very
poor? |
Very good point.
What some folks don't want to consider that it is very NORMAL for things to be DIFFERENT from year to year.
The ocean (and the land) of this planet is dynamic, not static. Climates change, temperatures fluctuate, the sea moves and all the animals do too.
Being conservative and only taking what we need to survive without waste or destroying other things is wise behavior. But, to blame everything that is
different on man has no benefit to improving anything. Learn to be flexible and to adjust to the changes. Animals have since the The changes have
happened and will continue to happen rather man's activities are in the mix or not. beginning. If the food runs out in one place, they go to another
if they want to eat. They don't blame each other, raise taxes, and wait for the food to come to them, do they? (That's supposed to be a funny)
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Please.
1. Even the unassailable Fox News reports that the planet has lost 50% of its marine life since 1970 (and "Wildlife on land isn't faring any better")
and "[d]riving all these trends are human actions: from overfishing and resource depletion, to coastal development and pollution, to the greenhouse
gas emissions causing ocean acidification and warming":
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=83665
2. I'm curious about your use of "rather" instead of "whether" in this claim: "The changes have happened and will continue to happen rather
man's activities are in the mix or not." Many years ago, I once encountered a person who used the word "rather" in lieu of "whether" the same
way you do here. It was memorable enough that I, and a friend, still remember it vividly.
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I note that sea temps are shown (with the ubiquitous map) but no one has mentioned the fact this is now a La Niņa year; the equatorial global sea temp
loop is COOLER than normal, hence several eastern Pacific storms headed mostly WNW and not gaining a lot of strength, which by the way is a blessing
for Baja this year, it may get a total break from past whumpers.
This would also have everything to do with migratory fish patterns and feeding habits, would it not? And please, I'm not taking a stand that mankind
is not culpable; we also have EVERYTHING to do with the destruction of the Sea of Cortez, both from overharvesting, starting with shrimping to damming
(and damning) the Colorado Delta and the northern 1/3rd reach of the SOC. In less than 100 years (the majority in the last 30) we've turned a
sub-tropical paradise into an aquatic desert, and it is 100% human-caused.
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I think the poor year of dorado must be water temperature and food source , and not over fishing of dorado ,they are the rabbits of the sea . Sexually
mature at six months in the 5-6 lb range ,20 lb in a year , 40 in three ,and most not living beyond four years .climate change yes !! Long term no one
knows!
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Climate change effects plankton ,bait fish ,etc billfish and dorado do not eat the same thing.
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| Quote: Originally posted by seasider |
Care to take a run at the reason why there are so many warm water loving billfish in the same area that there are so few warm water loving dorado?
I think some of the other posters have described the reason amply with my favourite being del mars' reply "I think it is all to do with which species
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Wouldn't they all be caught pretty much the same way? If they all travelled in the same thermocline they'd all end up on the same hook/net. A degree
here and there might make a difference. If the catchermen weren't interested in the other billfish they'd still be scuttled to jetsam and killed,
hence all fish would decline. More of one and less than the other? Good question. I don't have the answer, i'm not a specialist. What I do know is
the La Niņa has effects also; however I totally agree humankind has the upper(?) hand in the destruction of the SOC, so essentially we are in
agreement. I simply put in an extra equation.
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So called "climate change" would affect everything and it is all connected at some point. If they do not eat the same thing, they eat something else
that is connected to something else that eats the same thing.
Hmmmm...who's on first?
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Or you could just make up a theory that feels good, and call it fact.
I am always amused (and bemused) by people that reject science because they just don't like the facts and conclusions (or just think that their folk
wisdom is good enough)
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Once again folks..." The cool thing about science is that it's true even if you don't believe it"
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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Ding ding ding ding...........WINNER!
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Science is study. It is proposing a theory, and then attempting to prove or disprove the theory. Many times over the years, theories have been proven,
only to be disproved at a later date. Science is not fact. It represents currently accepted theory for what it is. Accepted theory. Some use this
theory as a cudgel to further their political or social beliefs. Those who want to end discussion by saying that the majority of scientists agree on a
theory, so there fore it is fact, have little or no training in science.
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