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I heard on the news tonight that Great Britain is banning all internal combustion cars by 2040.
Also France and another country in Europe by 2040.
[Edited on 7-31-2017 by TMW]
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It CAN be done.
One of the guys in my office is driving his Tesla Model X to Fairbanks, AK - he just crossed into AK from the Yukon. When he arrives, he will have
logged around 3500 miles from Venice CA. Then time to reverse rudder.
Zero dinosaurs burned.
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batteries are highly toxic...what is the plan to dispose of them
they say replacement batteries are $10k to $15K WOW
the cars are still new so no one has really had to replace them yet
for $3 bucks I can drive my gas car for 40 miles
money will be the "driving" power in the sales of electric cars like this
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Quote: Originally posted by TMW  | I heard on the news tonight that Great Britain is banning all internal combustion cars by 2040.
Also France and another country in Europe by 2040.
[Edited on 7-31-2017 by TMW] |
They are going to ban the SALE OF NEW gas and diesel cars in 2040. Not all gas and diesel cars.
There's a big difference.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/world/europe/uk-diesel-pe...
[Edited on 7-31-2017 by SFandH]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bob and Susan | batteries are highly toxic...what is the plan to dispose of them
they say replacement batteries are $10k to $15K WOW
the cars are still new so no one has really had to replace them yet
for $3 bucks I can drive my gas car for 40 miles
money will be the "driving" power in the sales of electric cars like this |
My 14-year-old pickup is on its 3rd or 4th lead acid battery. Recycling batteries is not a new problem. All internal combustion vehicles use them. The
design goal for EVs is to have the battery pack last the lifetime of the vehicle.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214993714...
Also, Toyota's fuel cell / electric vehicle is available. Fuel cells have been in use for decades for special applications. You fill up with hydrogen
which the fuel cell combines with atmospheric oxygen to generate electricity. It's an electrochemical reaction, as is a battery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Mirai
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Wait, there's more.
Climate controlled camping.
With a view of the stars.
Ready for Camper Mode
Last year I wrote about a subculture of Tesla drivers who go camping in the back of their cars. It sounds crazy at first, but the car’s massive
battery can maintain perfectly controlled climate all night while only losing about 7 percent of the car’s range. With the glass canopy overhead and
the view of the stars, it’s a great way to enjoy national parks without the bother of a campsite. I tried it myself and loved it.
With the new Model 3, there’s great news for those Tesla campers and others who like to haul long cargo. The seats of the Model 3 fold completely
flat, and with the front seats in their most forward position, the back bed measures an impressive 6 feet 9 inches long (206 cm). This is a car
that’s dying to be slept in.
David
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$$$ and a ballena of Pacifico to the first photo posted of a Tesla 3 next to the famous palm tree of Coyote bay in August.
As Huell Howser would say; the juxtaposition of the two together would be iconic .
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Better hurry..The ocean is rising so fast it will be under water soon..
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bob and Susan | batteries are highly toxic...what is the plan to dispose of them
they say replacement batteries are $10k to $15K WOW
the cars are still new so no one has really had to replace them yet
for $3 bucks I can drive my gas car for 40 miles
money will be the "driving" power in the sales of electric cars like this |
The lithium Ion batteries in a Tesla car probably don't get deep cycled too much for the average driver. Less than 100 miles before each full charge.
Supposedly the battery capacity drops about 5% after the first year than levels off.
Tesla predicts the life is 500K miles. Some Tesla owners and battery geeks think they are being conservative in that number.
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Coincidentally, BOLINGER MOTORS got some publicity on Fox Business (Varney & Company) this morning for their Off Road Elec veh. That might help
sales down the line, and certainly can't hurt.
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Why would anyone build a vehicle that looks like a box on wheels?
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Because it's so utilitarian-----i.e. it holds a lot of stuff efficiently. Sorta like the now defunct Isuzu Trooper which was a GREAT 4x4 vehicle,
and one which I owned for 27 years.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. |
Because it's so utilitarian-----i.e. it holds a lot of stuff efficiently. Sorta like the now defunct Isuzu Trooper which was a GREAT 4x4 vehicle,
and one which I owned for 27 years. |
Nostalgia! His first car was an International Scout!
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Electric/battery cars are great but what I would like to know is what is their carbon footprint? Ya, they don't burn gas but that electricity comes
from something....
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"Ya, they don't burn gas but that electricity comes from something...."
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How many ways are there to generate electricity? That's where it comes from.
Nuclear (20% of elec. in the US), solar, wind, hydroelectric, geothermal - no carbon footprint. Fossil fuels, yes.
Plus wouldn't it be great to rid of car exhaust in the cities?
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Natural gas provides about 50% of in state CA electric power. CA has one active nuclear power plant. They can't shut down the fossil fuel plants
because wind and solar don't produce 24/7.
I think it is a good ideal to reduce gas cars, I'm all for cleaner air.
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| Quote: Originally posted by StuckSucks | It CAN be done.
One of the guys in my office is driving his Tesla Model X to Fairbanks, AK - he just crossed into AK from the Yukon. When he arrives, he will have
logged around 3500 miles from Venice CA. Then time to reverse rudder.
Zero dinosaurs burned. |
For what it is worth, the Fairbanks grid is coal fired. A little know fact is that Alaska has more coal reserves than oil. Lots of natural gas up
north, but it is too expensive to get it to market.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
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I think it looks like my 1986 Suzuki roadster
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| Quote: Originally posted by StuckSucks | I am employeed in the electric car world.
First, the Chevy Volt is a plug-in hybrid - as the author correctly points out, the car runs a limited time on the battery, then switches over to gas.
Comparing the Volt to other EVs is an apple-and-oranges discussion.
The Tesla Model S has a ~260 mile range and can charge from empty to full in less than an hour (perfect for catching lunch near a Tesla Supercharger
location). And 0-60mph in less than four seconds is pretty torquey.
The fairly new Chevy Spark has a 235 mile range and is able to charge equally as fast.
Absent the high power chargers, all EVs can be plugged into a regular 110v wall outlet - here's where overnight charging is required, but this is also
when the power company charges the least for its electricty. Our office is solar-powered, so charging the cars there is virtually free.
For most daily drivers, 200+ miles of range is more than enough for many round trips to work and the store. But driving the length of Baja would be
problematic.
That said, there are chargers in Tijuana and all around Ensenada - both the 240v Level 2 chargers and the Tesla Destination chargers. Mexico city and
other parts of the country are packed with EV chargers.
EVs are an evolving industry and we are still figuring this out. Please be patient. |
How much to purchase new batteries and dispose of the old?
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bubba | | Quote: Originally posted by StuckSucks | I am employeed in the electric car world.
First, the Chevy Volt is a plug-in hybrid - as the author correctly points out, the car runs a limited time on the battery, then switches over to gas.
Comparing the Volt to other EVs is an apple-and-oranges discussion.
The Tesla Model S has a ~260 mile range and can charge from empty to full in less than an hour (perfect for catching lunch near a Tesla Supercharger
location). And 0-60mph in less than four seconds is pretty torquey.
The fairly new Chevy Spark has a 235 mile range and is able to charge equally as fast.
Absent the high power chargers, all EVs can be plugged into a regular 110v wall outlet - here's where overnight charging is required, but this is also
when the power company charges the least for its electricty. Our office is solar-powered, so charging the cars there is virtually free.
For most daily drivers, 200+ miles of range is more than enough for many round trips to work and the store. But driving the length of Baja would be
problematic.
That said, there are chargers in Tijuana and all around Ensenada - both the 240v Level 2 chargers and the Tesla Destination chargers. Mexico city and
other parts of the country are packed with EV chargers.
EVs are an evolving industry and we are still figuring this out. Please be patient. |
How much to purchase new batteries and dispose of the old? |
The Nissan LEAF uses a 24-kilowatt-hour battery pack: $5,500. The list price of a Chevy Bolt EV HV battery pack is $15,734.29. I think they generally
figure a 10-year life span.
Old batteries are recycled or reused. An interesting reuse: Renault to recycle old EV batteries into home energy storage
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