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David K
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The revised rule is reported that as soon as you enter Mexico, you are required to be documented. Walk into the INM office at the border and get an
FMM. Free for 7 days or pay for 180 days. It is that simple. That nobody in Baja may ever request you to show it is another issue and doesn't change
the rules but only makes them seem optional to casual border crossers.
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sancho
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A couple months back, on fb, a Tourist going to San Felipe,
crossing so. at the Downtown Mexicali crossing, encountered
a Mex Imm Official, who was standing just inside the red/green
lite entrance into Mexicali, on a very rare occasion they will do
this, asked the tourist where, how long were planning to be in Mex, San Felipe for 5 days was the answer, the Imm officer
said no tourist card required, have a good trip. I was in that
Imm office a few months back, asked for the 7 day fmm,
while he did not directly say it, I got the feeling he thought
it unnecessary for a few day visit. Some Imm offices seem
to be a little fluid with regs, but out of respect/courtesy
I always follow printed regs
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Alm
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And again, you can buy it online for the same price and print on INM website together with Banjercito receipt. Then just stamp it at the border,
takes a minute or two.
You will need to specify the crossing when filling the online form, this (probably) can't be changed later.
Keep Banjercito receipt, INM guy might want to see it.
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Alm
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Quote: Originally posted by sancho  | asked for the 7 day fmm,
while he did not directly say it, I got the feeling he thought
it unnecessary for a few day visit. |
From his point of view this paperwork is useless when no money is collected for the govt. He himself doesn't benefit, either.
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David K
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Like all the "tough rules" before... give it time, and the whole thing will be laughed at.
The U.S. border officers never insisted on a passport to come back home, even though that's what they said would be required (and we all went out and
got one).
The Mexican border does not check every car, only a random red light and then just to check your cargo (for possible import duty $$) and not to see
your FMM.
I think it just gets so boring all this regulation. The bottom line, we are desired by Mexico to come to Mexico, so why make it complicated?
The 180-day tourist card was FREE before mid-2000.
When large families could not afford to pay out a hundred dollars plus, just to enter Mexico, they went other places to vacation. Mexico's response
was to create the FREE 7-day tourist card. It took a few years, however.
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AKgringo
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If it isn't happening already, I can see the lack of an FMM becoming a way to shake down someone for a mordida!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo | | If it isn't happening already, I can see the lack of an FMM becoming a way to shake down someone for a mordida! |
It happened to Nomad amigo Art (edm-1) in July 2011. He and his wife crossed at Mexicali, and discovered while getting FMMs the wife's passport had
just expired. They refused to issue her an FMM. So, already in Mexico and loaded up for 2 weeks + trip to Cabo and back, they went on. Back then,
there was an INM checkpoint by the state border near Guerrero Negro (just before they spray the bottom of your car is a building and stop sign).
Well, the guy there made Art pay a "fine" of US$100. Magically, they could continue. I am summarizing but you can read Art's own words in his trip
2011 trip report.
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surabi
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Like all the "tough rules" before... give it time, and the whole thing will be laughed at.
The U.S. border officers never insisted on a passport to come back home, even though that's what they said would be required (and we all went out and
got one).
The Mexican border does not check every car, only a random red light and then just to check your cargo (for possible import duty $$) and not to see
your FMM.
I think it just gets so boring all this regulation. The bottom line, we are desired by Mexico to come to Mexico, so why make it complicated?
The 180-day tourist card was FREE before mid-2000.
When large families could not afford to pay out a hundred dollars plus, just to enter Mexico, they went other places to vacation. Mexico's response
was to create the FREE 7-day tourist card. It took a few years, however. |
Are you aware of any other countries which allow foreign nationals to enter their country, even for a few days, without visas or other documentation?
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David K
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There are only two countries that Americans can drive into from America. For that reason, Canada and Mexico are not 'lumped into' the rest of the
world's rules for travel.
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bajaguy
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Mexicans and Canadians are "Americans" along with people from Central "America" and South "America"..............
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | There are only two countries that Americans can drive into from America. For that reason, Canada and Mexico are not 'lumped into' the rest of the
world's rules for travel. |
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Like all the "tough rules" before... give it time, and the whole thing will be laughed at.
The U.S. border officers never insisted on a passport to come back home, even though that's what they said would be required (and we all went out and
got one).
The Mexican border does not check every car, only a random red light and then just to check your cargo (for possible import duty $$) and not to see
your FMM.
I think it just gets so boring all this regulation. The bottom line, we are desired by Mexico to come to Mexico, so why make it complicated?
The 180-day tourist card was FREE before mid-2000.
When large families could not afford to pay out a hundred dollars plus, just to enter Mexico, they went other places to vacation. Mexico's response
was to create the FREE 7-day tourist card. It took a few years, however. |
On the flip side, usa should allow ALL Mexicans to enter USA on free 7-day tourist cards, no restrictions. Fair is fair.
Dk, Why do some of you gringos want free access to Mexico, but want to restrict mexican’s access to USA? You are so hypocritical! 
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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Yes indeed Baja Guy, that your from the country of USA which is located in North America was pointed out to me by a really grumpy immigration
official. I have answered I’m from the USA every since.
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David K
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Goat, at the risk of being pulled into another of your black holes that screen out facts in favor of sound bites, I was talking about going into
Mexico and that American tourism (and Canadian) is HUGE source of income for millions of Mexican citizens... and especially so in Baja California
which to the rest of Mexico is more of a far-off island territory that has been so greatly ignored by D.F. (the capital). The less government
regulation restricting lawful travelers to come to Mexico and spend money with the people, the better for the people of Baja.
I welcome you to create a thread about Mexican tourism going north. Maybe even post it on a Spanish, Alta California travel forum (is there one?)?
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy | Mexicans and Canadians are "Americans" along with people from Central "America" and South "America"..............
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | There are only two countries that Americans can drive into from America. For that reason, Canada and Mexico are not 'lumped into' the rest of the
world's rules for travel. |
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They are people who live in North America, however citizens of the nation of the United States of America are called "Americans" not "United
State-ians"
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy | Mexicans and Canadians are "Americans" along with people from Central "America" and South "America"..............
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | There are only two countries that Americans can drive into from America. For that reason, Canada and Mexico are not 'lumped into' the rest of the
world's rules for travel. |
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They are people who live in North America, however citizens of the nation of the United States of America are called "Americans" not "United
State-ians" |
Dk, “American” is just one slang or informal term for usa citizens. Some other slang are norteamericano, Yankee, gringo, imperialist, SFA, pindo,
hot dog eater,...
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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TMW
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | Like all the "tough rules" before... give it time, and the whole thing will be laughed at.
The U.S. border officers never insisted on a passport to come back home, even though that's what they said would be required (and we all went out and
got one).
The Mexican border does not check every car, only a random red light and then just to check your cargo (for possible import duty $$) and not to see
your FMM.
I think it just gets so boring all this regulation. The bottom line, we are desired by Mexico to come to Mexico, so why make it complicated?
The 180-day tourist card was FREE before mid-2000.
When large families could not afford to pay out a hundred dollars plus, just to enter Mexico, they went other places to vacation. Mexico's response
was to create the FREE 7-day tourist card. It took a few years, however. |
Are you aware of any other countries which allow foreign nationals to enter their country, even for a few days, without visas or other documentation?
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Yes, Europe. Once you are in one country of the European Union you can drive across any of the other countries borders without being checked. Like
driving in the U.S. state to state.
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TMW
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If you go anywhere in the world and ask what country are Americans from the answer will be 100% the United States. Canadians, Mexicans and United
States citizens are from North America, not America.
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sancho
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
On the flip side, usa should allow ALL Mexicans to enter USA on free 7-day tourist cards, no restrictions. Fair is fair.
Dk, Why do some of you gringos want free access to Mexico, but want to restrict mexican’s access to USA? |
Goat you're on to something, plus we can save $25 billion
$$$ on the wall
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TMW
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Who said anything about free access to Mexico but not the U.S. Myself and many others follow the rules and laws of Mexico. I carry an annual insurance
policy on both my trucks and I get an FMM permit as necessary when I cross the border. I renew my passport when due. I do not cross into Mexico
illegally. I cross at the designated entry locations.
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surabi
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | There are only two countries that Americans can drive into from America. For that reason, Canada and Mexico are not 'lumped into' the rest of the
world's rules for travel. |
So because Americans can drive into Mexico and Canada, you think those sovereign countries should just give Americans a free pass?
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