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Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  | To clarify for those who are apparently unaware, any law abiding non-criminal person may successfully enter either Mexico or USA. There is no reason
to be an illegal alien other than a lack of respect for the country and their laws.
Many people are apparently unaware of how easy it is to successfully enter as a visitor in both USA and Mexico so they enter illegally and that starts
them on a bad path.
To begin, one does need to have personal identification documentation, a passport, a home address and a destination address, a travel itinerary
showing a plan to arrive and depart, demonstration of adequate savings and one must apply at a port of entry. Both USA and Mexico offer translators to
assist in the process. If you want to work the process varies but is possible for those who want to work.
All of my Mexican friends and their children who want to visit me in USA now have a visa, it seemed impossible to them at first, when I explained you
need an id, passport, home and destination, itinerary and demonstrable savings, then they found out it wasn't hard at all, (in fact not having a visa
is really hard and more expensive and stressful) you just need to plan and be prepared. Same goes for friends who want visit Mexico and even work. The
process to apply and receive a visitor or work visa is well documented and is open to any law abiding person.
Same goes for DL, care reg and insurance. It seems hard until you find out how easy it is, and then you realize what a pain to not have documentation.
Furthermore, Health insurance is free for those cannot afford it in USA. For those who can pay a sliding pay scale exist to subsidize what you can not
afford. Change of job or address is a qualifying event that allows you sign up any day of the year.
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I don't know what your smoking Gnukid, but it's laughable that you claim it's so easy for either Mexicans or other Hispanics, can visit or live in the
US, very easily, or that Americans, can easily live in Mexico legally, although I will admit, it's pretty easy for Americans to live in Mexico,
however, many Americans, can't qualify to live in Mexico, legally, because their only source of income is social security, and therefore, they live in
Mexico, illegally.
I personally, know of many illegal Americans, living in Rosarito, and from these forums, and group Facebook sites, I know a few people that are on
social security disability, because of mental issues, some I suspect of faking, and some really insane, but I'm not sure if they are legal or not. (
some have been members of this site, and were banned or passed away)
I used to have a girlfriend in Mexico, who wanted to go to Disneyland in the US, and Disneyland is just over 100 miles from the border, but it would
be a lot easily to take her to Disneyland in Europe than in the OC because of all the red tape and time involved.
Gnukid, if you think it's so easy for any Mexican to live in the US, I hope you will join me in telling President Trump, NO WALL, and lets get the
undocumented Mexican workers, out of the shadows and into an amnesty programs, because it's so easy to live in the US legally, they no longer have to
hide in the shadows.
I will get to you other statement later Gnukid.
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Let's get this Joe logic straight, it's easier to be illegal so therefore we should encourage mass illegality and promote criminal behavior,
exploitation of humans, and encourage societal chaos to encourage a two class society. One class with law abiding people and the other totally lawless
because lawless criminal behavior is easier and less work than being law abiding? And the law abiding group should live by a strict enforcement of
laws and the other group should not be required to follow laws because it is easier. The extra cost of the unlawful group should be made up by the law
abiding group because, because Joe!
And even then Joe's girlfriend can't go to Disneyland?
Except, last year my best friend in Mexico, Pancho and his daughter age 14 wanted to go to Disneyland and ComiCon because she wanted to become a
filmmaker, so we tried and applied and it was frustrating and took time and preparation but we did it and now she is a filmmaker who went to
Disneyland and ComiCon at age of 15 who has made 5 short films and presented at film festivals. But it wasn't easy.
Personally I went through the process from temp to permanent visa holder in Mexico, it took time, and now I have a business and work and I never paid
mordida once and I no longer pay for yearly visas or flight taxes and I enjoy many other cost saving and stress reducing benefits.
In USA foreigners apply for visitor and work visas, there are about 800k H1b visa holders working at a given time, 65k allocated per year and they can
last for 6 years, some extend with I-140 visas, some leave early, each H1b visa holder's spouse may also apply to work with H-4 visa and most do
800k, about 65k agriculture labor H2a visas per year and last for 3 years=195k, no limit to H2a labor visas per year and last 3 years. About 650k
temporary visas are converted to permanent visas per year. No limit to number of L-1a, L-1b visa holders who may transfer back and forth from abroad
to USA for US related corporations.
Then there are visitor visas, finance and spouse visas, religious visas, athlete visas, foreign media visas, extra ordinary ability visas, company
transfer visas, investor visas etc...
In California in both tech and labor a large portion of workers are foreign workers, often more than 50% and as high as 80% at companies like eBay and
Symantec.
The actual total number of tracked foreign workers in the USA is about 25,000,000, plus the undocumented foreign workforce population estimated at
10,000,000, out of a working population of 130,000,000. References below or look it up for yourself.
Point is, there is a legal path to enter both countries to visit or work which resulted in about 20% of the USA population being made up of legal
foreign workers and about 10% illegal foreign workers, though my personal estimate is that the % of illegal workers is much higher, like 35 million.
Illegal immigration is promoted by criminals and their networks who exploit and abuse humans to profit off their backs because it's easier than making
an honest living. "The money is too good to stop." Illegal immigration is one of the criminal "octopus" legs, associated with drug running, illegal
arms trade, money laundering, prostitution, human trafficking, human slavery, kidnapping, extortion, etc.
Ask yourself who supports illegal immigration and open borders, the answer is those who profit, which includes the likes of cartels of Chapo, Sinaloa,
Los Zetas, Jalisco, Carrillo Fuentes, Arrelano Felix and the corrupt associated politicians - you know who they are. The result is societal
destabilization and profit.
Over 700,000 children go missing in the USA each year and more in Mexico, many are murdered associated with these criminal operations who run on the
backs of illegal immigrants.
Who would send illegal high power weapons through the border directly to cartels who use the weapons to control all traffic in the border region,
legal or illegal traffic they get paid, every liter of gasoline has cartel tax due, every illegal immigrant has a value of 5K on their head due for
crossing, who would block border security, who wants an open border, which politicians take donations from cartels and mafia?
When you see the costs to society and the damage caused by open borders to individuals that manifests in a 2 class broken society, plagued by crime
and corruption, resulting in sky high costs for the law abiding people and lawless life of exploitation for the other class all for the profit of mega
cartels, corrupt politicians and corporations, you have to ask what role do the promoters of open borders play. Do promoters of open borders carry
some responsibility for the chaos and destruction of lives they allow by their actions, even if they just virtue signal pretending to be empathetic to
others? If I am pretending to be a good person like those open border types while I am encouraging and allowing an environment that results in abuse
and exploitation, do I bear responsibility? An analogy is if a doctor acts well intended but every patient dies through their errors, are they a good
doctor? Do they carry responsibility for negative outcomes even though they are well intended? The answer is yes, Joe.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/employme...
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/rising-250980...
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/labor-force-parti...
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How on Earth do you ppl have the energy to type novels like that? I didn't read a word of it btw.
To the OP, I've flown TJ to Hermosillo before w/o a visa. We were running late for our flight and there was a big line, so we said screw it to avoid
missing the flight. I did use my PP to show my identity to get on the plane.
For sure you will be stopped on the bus at inspections points. Will they ask for id or FMM, maybe, maybe not. I wouldn't roll those dice.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | I am leaving for Baja soon and will report on how the FMM procedure is for me today, when I get back online. |
Walking or driving?
Ask them why most drivers just blow by not stopping and getting the FMM?
Ask them why they have no procedures in place to check everyone entering Mexico, and ensuring they get a FMM, if they are foreigners?
Ask then if they even care, if somebody is making a day trip in Baja, and if all of them bother to give them a FMM, for short trips?
Ask them for the penalty of being in Mexico without a FMM, and if there is a penalty, does it include deportation on the spot warning or what?
And ask them if you have to return the FMM when leaving Mexico by foot or car, and what's the procedure if so?
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You are going to love this...
The Mexican arranger for the film group I am with, said no FMM was needed because we were staying in Baja Norte, and only if going to Baja Sure
required it. I told her the newest rules (as told to us) and she questioned them, said "when was that"?, said basically that was not true. We waited
for a long time for her to get the official clearance inside, for our 3 vehicles and 11 people, with equipment, and we left for the hotel. No FMMs ...
When I drive south, I will still get one!
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | To clarify for those who are apparently unaware, any law abiding non-criminal person may successfully enter either Mexico or USA. There is no reason
to be an illegal alien other than a lack of respect for the country and their laws.
Many people are apparently unaware of how easy it is to successfully enter as a visitor in both USA and Mexico so they enter illegally and that starts
them on a bad path.
[Edited on 2-16-2019 by gnukid] |
Great news for the people in the Caravans! I thought even though they were law abiding individuals sanctuary in the USA - legal process i believe.
So they would be flabergasted to hear how easy it is, They have been trying for months to get a simple interview with an agent. so you would do
all of them a big favor Gnukid head down there, explain to them how easy it is, and as a public service, escort dozens of them every day across
the border!
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K |
You are going to love this...
The Mexican arranger for the film group I am with, said no FMM was needed because we were staying in Baja Norte, and only if going to Baja Sure
required it. I told her the newest rules (as told to us) and she questioned them, said "when was that"?, said basically that was not true. We waited
for a long time for her to get the official clearance inside, for our 3 vehicles and 11 people, with equipment, and we left for the hotel. No FMMs ...
When I drive south, I will still get one! |
So let me get this straight, the Mexican arranger said no FMM was needed because they were only going to be in Baja Norte, and you David K. said, not
that's wrong, you need a FMM anytime you walking one foot into Mexico.
And because of you, the arranger, checked, and was told they were correct no FMM need to stay in Baja Norte?
I believe it, but I would also think they asked how long are they going to stay in Baja Norte, and if they said longer than 7 days, they would have
made everybody get a FMM to collect the money.
But like I been saying for months, they really don't want to waste their time with vehicles stopping in only Baja Norte, for a day trip or a few days.
It would only create traffic jams, and long waits.
But as you say, you are still technically right that you need that FMM, but it's not being enforced, and nobody cares in Baja Norte, if you have a FMM
or not.
This is why when I go to only Tijuana or Rosarito, I do not get any FMM driving, and about 60% of the time, they don't require me to have a FMM when
I cross as a pedestrian.
Here is what I think, remember there was a Mexico free zone? Well, it turns out there was never a Mexico free zone, but it seems many Mexican
officials are still treating it like a free zone.
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And one more post turning into a chit show when all was needed was a simple explanation. smh
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.... maybe he's part of the Mazat - Clan... 
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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Gnukid, I see even others find your easy access to America, laughable.
It's not easy to become an immigration to the US, because it's like pimping, if it was that easy, everybody would be pimping, and also immigrating
to the US.
I also believe it's no cake walk to become a legal citizen of Mexico, because there are many hoops, and some people just don't qualify because of the
income requirements, but it is sure easier to live in Mexico, illegal than it is in the US.
The US immigration programs that you talk about like the H1B visa and H2B visa, are wonderful programs, but there is a catch. You as an immigrant
must have a job lined up in the US. That's not so easy to get if you don't know anybody in the US, and you don't know how to get sponsored.
Sure I guess, I could have helped my girlfriend, get a fiance visa, so I could take her to Disneyland in the OC, but she really didn't want to move
here, or did she really wanted to marry me, and the same with me.
It's not so much that I'm advocating breaking US or Mexico, immigration laws, as it is I'm pretty much an open borders person, and believe anyone
should be able to live where they want but I will leave the details up to others how that would work out.
I'm pragmatic and know people are going to do what they need to do. If there are good paying jobs in America, and if it's real easy to get those jobs,
the immigrants are going to come here and work if I or you like it or not. There will also be illegal Americans living in Mexico, without papers. I
really don't care, it's not my problem.
Gnukid, I do think a lot of Baja Nomad, members are anti immigration, and even anti-Mexico, where many take delight in negative news about Mexico, and
there is a lot of American exceptionalism type thinking here. The negative stereotyping of Mexicans, here is beyond the pale, even with their positive
remarks about Mexicans. I'm sorry, one size doesn't fit all.
Gnukid, your alarmists type posts, and conspiracy theories do not work around me. I'm the type to actually look up where you're getting your
information from, and will call BS when I see you're getting your information from dubious sites.
For example the claim that 700,000 children go missing in the USA each year, is mostly BS, where you look at the real numbers. That statistic was from
1992, and it hasn't been updated since. Most of the missing children, are teen runaways, and family abductions, where one parent, takes the child, but
in most cases the children are found, or the teen come home, especially with cell phones being so popular now. I think it was something like 115
children that actually went missing from real kidnappings from complete strangers.
Gnukid, most human smugglers are not cartel members, but they are US citizens, Mexican-Americans, who are not doing the work for the Mexican cartels
as they are doing the work for employers like Trump, and his golf courses. Human trafficking, is also not so much about sex slavery as it is finding
cheap housekeepers and nannies for their children in the suburbs.
But according to Trump, young girls, are brought to American, bound by duct tape on their wrists, and mouths, and that's why they don't go through the
ports of entry..........real funny guy that Trump.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | Gnukid, I see even others find your easy access to America, laughable.
It's not easy to become an immigration to the US, because it's like pimping, if it was that easy, everybody would be pimping, and also immigrating
to the US.
I also believe it's no cake walk to become a legal citizen of Mexico, because there are many hoops, and some people just don't qualify because of the
income requirements, but it is sure easier to live in Mexico, illegal than it is in the US.
The US immigration programs that you talk about like the H1B visa and H2B visa, are wonderful programs, but there is a catch. You as an immigrant
must have a job lined up in the US. That's not so easy to get if you don't know anybody in the US, and you don't know how to get sponsored.
Sure I guess, I could have helped my girlfriend, get a fiance visa, so I could take her to Disneyland in the OC, but she really didn't want to move
here, or did she really wanted to marry me, and the same with me.
It's not so much that I'm advocating breaking US or Mexico, immigration laws, as it is I'm pretty much an open borders person, and believe anyone
should be able to live where they want but I will leave the details up to others how that would work out.
I'm pragmatic and know people are going to do what they need to do. If there are good paying jobs in America, and if it's real easy to get those jobs,
the immigrants are going to come here and work if I or you like it or not. There will also be illegal Americans living in Mexico, without papers. I
really don't care, it's not my problem.
Gnukid, I do think a lot of Baja Nomad, members are anti immigration, and even anti-Mexico, where many take delight in negative news about Mexico, and
there is a lot of American exceptionalism type thinking here. The negative stereotyping of Mexicans, here is beyond the pale, even with their positive
remarks about Mexicans. I'm sorry, one size doesn't fit all.
Gnukid, your alarmists type posts, and conspiracy theories do not work around me. I'm the type to actually look up where you're getting your
information from, and will call BS when I see you're getting your information from dubious sites.
For example the claim that 700,000 children go missing in the USA each year, is mostly BS, where you look at the real numbers. That statistic was from
1992, and it hasn't been updated since. Most of the missing children, are teen runaways, and family abductions, where one parent, takes the child, but
in most cases the children are found, or the teen come home, especially with cell phones being so popular now. I think it was something like 115
children that actually went missing from real kidnappings from complete strangers.
Gnukid, most human smugglers are not cartel members, but they are US citizens, Mexican-Americans, who are not doing the work for the Mexican cartels
as they are doing the work for employers like Trump, and his golf courses. Human trafficking, is also not so much about sex slavery as it is finding
cheap housekeepers and nannies for their children in the suburbs.
But according to Trump, young girls, are brought to American, bound by duct tape on their wrists, and mouths, and that's why they don't go through the
ports of entry..........real funny guy that Trump.
[Edited on 2-17-2019 by JoeJustJoe] |
Jeezus, you really are over the edge. How do you find time to write these responses that read like a cheap paper book
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Here is an article in Rolling Stone that explains how cartels control all illegal and legal traffic, by controlling the border region and get paid for
every illegal alien, every liter of gas, and every bag of drugs.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/drug-w...
Cartels don't work the way one might imagine, that is with a guy handing a bag of money in exchange for a bag of drugs. Now they morphed into a quasi
military political organization who "tax" all traffic or "plaza" in a region, just like feudal royalty of centuries past who charged a tax on the
opium or any shipping trade. They control with threats of intimidation and carried out violence, they bribe politicians with "donations" in order to
receive access or benefits to enforce their control.
In the end, anyone involved in nefarious illegal behavior pays, and good people pay a tax through increased costs as well.
Corruption is the glue that holds it together to create a profitable margin on all transactions, traffic, access, and security.
A well run cartel may never actually touch drugs, or coyotes, or directly have contact with the consumer and victim. They get paid by extortion for
every transaction.
This is why gangs need corruption, and politicians too, they both need illegal aliens, drug trafficking, they need an open border to get paid, but
they don't get their hands dirty, they let the fringe criminals or expendables do the dirty work and suffer the consequences. The ones you see are
expendable, el Chapo is expendable.
Do you ever see a corrupt cartel member or politician get put on ice in public and paraded as a criminal, they are fat, out of shape, pasty white,
because they don't actually do work, they simply reap profits on the backs of others.
Do you support corrupt cartel tax on all border traffic or do you support productive honest people and efficiency at low cost? Then don't support
illegal human trafficking across the border.
Nowadays, especially with mass surveillance, the cartels, their victims, those who pay, they don't touch, it's simply a numbers game. An example is
small crime in pueblos, you get robbed of $500 in household tools or a $5000 car, you call the police, the police go to the bad guys for their cut,
they also ask for money from the victim for "gas". Then they get taxed by the controlling cartel for % of all crime in the region. The empeneos (pawn
shops) pay a cut. etc. It's all connected. The money is dropped off in a bag as a pay off, and picked up by the cartel bag man (courier) a few times a
day/week/month. Once you are anywhere near it you can't get out.
The caravan and the stories about immigrants who choose to cross with coyotes is a lie to garner emotional support to allow the process of the cartel
control of the plaza. Yes there are illegal immigrants, there are coyotes, but it not as you would perceive. People are trafficked. They are
threatened or enticed to go and they suffer all along and are exploited ultimately with a price tag on their head.
On the other hand, there is a form of legal immigration to both Mexico and USA that fuels our true productive economy, companies like eBay use a
workforce of 80% foreign labor. There is a lack of willing qualified workers in markets in both regions.
Illegal immigration is a tool of destabilization to allow control of the plaza.
For example, the Caravan immigrants were all offered a working visa in Mexico, Residente Temporal Lucrativa, they were offered housing and
opportunities to work and almost everyone turned it down. They turned it down because they were told to turn it down because they had a different
role. A few are happily living in TJ and working. Why didn't they all accept the visa?
The Caravan was an orchestrated play whose role was to destabilize and confuse the border issue. In a sense it was a tactical move in a war, and it
served its purpose, they came, got paid and left, not unlike Antifa activists in the USA. It's political action with roots in the cartel control of
the Plaza. Every time you buy gas at any gas station in USA or Mexico you are paying the cartel a tax now due to their control of gas in North
America.
The lady doth protest too much, Joe that is. He is playing a role, like Joe the plumber, he is a hybrid political activist for destabilization,
likely paid.
Los Zetas are a prime example of the hybrid mil/gov/cartel operation. They were highly trained military paid for by Merida Initiative dollars, who
somehow, by surprise, by became the one of the most violent and corrupt cartels? Somehow by accident they were shipped high power weapons under Eric
Holder and Obama and "we lost track by accident"?
As "Freeway Rick Ross" the most notorious crack dealer said about the Iran Contra weapons for drugs hearings, "crack cocaine don't arrive from across
the border to LA in the back of Jose's van." Meaning, it takes planes, trains and shipping containers to deliver the amount of contraband being
transported daily and its not going unnoticed, contaband is tracked, delivered and taxed, leaving victims in its path.
Most of us are good people, thankfully, most of don't even know bad people. But there is an underbelly of criminal lies and corruption that fuels "the
octopus" to profit on every criminal action that crosses over to the "good people" as a tax or cost of doing business. Stop feeding the octopus.
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Gnukid, have you ever heard of the quote sometimes attributed to Freud, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar?'
I'm sure the Mexican cartels are involved in a lot crimes in Mexico, especially the drugs and other vices, but I doubt if even the cartels have a
monopoly on every type of crime in Mexico especially since human trafficking and other criminals enterprises have low start up expenses.
It's really sad that you seem to imply that every hard working undocumented Mexican workers, is a criminal or victim of the Mexican cartels or shadow
type government like the deep state.
In another post you said, over 700,000 children go missing each year, but if you take a closer look, it''s not the Mexican cartels kidnapping young
girls to be sex slaves in America, but rather it's mostly teen runaways or benign missing children who show up a few hours later. Just 115 kids were
actually kidnapped by strangers.
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The number of kids who are actually kidnapped by strangers is quite small," says Finkelhor.
Just 115 of the 797,500 children were subject to what Finkelhor and his co-authors define as a "stereotypical" kidnapping - that is, they were
abducted by a stranger and detained overnight, perhaps permanently, or taken at least 50 miles away.
In fact, almost half the children recorded in the study were what the authors call "benign missing". That means their parent or guardian thought they
were missing, but they soon turned up.
So many of the children reported missing weren't really missing at all.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32386685
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Just arrived back home from a visit with JJJ on another thread. It's really not that bad of a drive.
Just enter 'Reality' in the destination box in the googlemaps app and you'll get there just fine.
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Did anybody mention 'Clan?  ...
Though, tend to agree with Motoged - a bit strange post by the OP.
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