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hate to throw a monkey wrench into all of the pontificating parrots here, but I believe you as a USA citizen with a valid ENHANCED Drivers licence,
can use that DL to enter mexico - no passport needed.
Assuming of course your state issues enhanced licences, and you qualify and are approved.
Thats all theoretical of course, I know of one case where the mexican border guard would not accept it to issue the FMM. while the same guy, with
the same licence, entered no problem at another time with another border guard on duty.
and in this specific case, i do not believe a permanent resident (non USA citizen) qualifies for an enhanced licence, but I may be wrong on that.
[Edited on 4-25-2019 by caj13]
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Obviously, if anyone wants to go to Mexico they can, call or visit INM, they know their status which vary radically and any legal person is
accommodated. Many people have no passport but are legal to enter, while a passport is normally required. You know your status and the options for
expedited entry.
On the other, hand there is JJJ whose only goal is to confuse the facts and harm travelers and scare people. It's called Poisoning the Well by Logical
Fallacy. Sad.
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A USA permanent resident multiple entry card holder is sufficient for FMM to enter Mexico obviously
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Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  | Obviously, if anyone wants to go to Mexico they can, call or visit INM, they know their status which vary radically and any legal person is
accommodated. Many people have no passport but are legal to enter, while a passport is normally required. You know your status and the options for
expedited entry.
On the other, hand there is JJJ whose only goal is to confuse the facts and harm travelers and scare people. It's called Poisoning the Well by Logical
Fallacy. Sad. |
Now who is confusing the issue?
So acccording to Gnukid, you can enter Mexico without a passport, if you call or visit the INM.
Who knew or is Gnukid blowing smoke?
What's a legal person? Does that mean there is such things as an illegal person?
I always thought everybody has basic human rights regardless of paperwork they may or may not have.
The only thnk I know for sure, is that you drive your car into Mexico, without the Mexican authorities checking. It happens all the time because many
people do not have a passport for a variety of reasons.
You can also return to the US with only a drivers license and birth certificate, and US customs will let you in no problems, although for many years
now you're supposed to have a passport, but in practice they let you back in.
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| Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | hate to throw a monkey wrench into all of the pontificating parrots here, but I believe you as a USA citizen with a valid ENHANCED Drivers licence,
can use that DL to enter mexico - no passport needed.
Assuming of course your state issues enhanced licences, and you qualify and are approved.
Thats all theoretical of course, I know of one case where the mexican border guard would not accept it to issue the FMM. while the same guy, with
the same licence, entered no problem at another time with another border guard on duty.
and in this specific case, i do not believe a permanent resident (non USA citizen) qualifies for an enhanced licence, but I may be wrong on that.
[Edited on 4-25-2019 by caj13] |
I was hoping this would come up.
I have a US passport. But my friend does not. But has an enhanced California license.
Will the enhanced license be acceptable when entering into Mex. for getting a tourist visa?
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If you are a citizen of the USA you must have a passport to get an FMM to enter Mexico, unless you are also a resident or citizen of Mexico. Many
people in the USA do not have a passport because they are permanent residents card holders, who for a variety of reasons are not citizens, those
permanent resident multiple entry card holders use that id to enter Mexico and travel. They may also have other types of travel documents that may
mean they don't need an FMM, for example residency or citizenship in Mexico, or another country that has a visa waiver with Mexico.
[Edited on 4-26-2019 by gnukid]
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | If you are a citizen of the USA you must have a passport to get an FMM to enter Mexico, unless you are also a resident or citizen of Mexico. Many
people in the USA do not have a passport because they are permanent residents card holders, who for a variety of reasons are not citizens, those
permanent resident multiple entry card holders use that id to enter Mexico and travel. They may also have other types of travel documents that may
mean they don't need an FMM, for example residency or citizenship in Mexico, or another country that has a visa waiver with Mexico.
[Edited on 4-26-2019 by gnukid] |
Permanent resident holders? What's the matter Gnukid, you can't say green card holders, who are probably mostly Mexican citizens if they are going to
Mexico.
I still think you're blowing smoke with your previous posts, because an American basically can't visit Mexico, if they don't have a passport, which
they need to get a FMM.
However, if they just drive in Mexico, nobody is going to stop them, and they could get back to the US with only their regular drivers license.
Here are the reasons why many Americans do not have a passport, and if you're talking about a family, sometimes low family income is a barrier to
passports for the family.
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"Probation or Felony issues may also cause a passport application to be denied. If you are on probation, owe more than $1500 in child support
payments, are wanted on an arrest warrant, are currently summoned to appear in court, are currently in jail, or have serious felony issues, your
passport may be denied."
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| Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck | | Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | hate to throw a monkey wrench into all of the pontificating parrots here, but I believe you as a USA citizen with a valid ENHANCED Drivers licence,
can use that DL to enter mexico - no passport needed.
Assuming of course your state issues enhanced licences, and you qualify and are approved.
Thats all theoretical of course, I know of one case where the mexican border guard would not accept it to issue the FMM. while the same guy, with
the same licence, entered no problem at another time with another border guard on duty.
and in this specific case, i do not believe a permanent resident (non USA citizen) qualifies for an enhanced licence, but I may be wrong on that.
[Edited on 4-25-2019 by caj13] |
I was hoping this would come up.
I have a US passport. But my friend does not. But has an enhanced California license.
Will the enhanced license be acceptable when entering into Mex. for getting a tourist visa? |
A USA Citizen with Enhanced DL can use that to cross in/out of USA borders. It is considered equivalent to the USA passport card and it is acceptable
to use to enter Mexico by land or sea, when the port of entry has the equipment to read the card and has an agreement to do so. So yes it should work
to drive into Baja and get a FMM.
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| Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck | | Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | hate to throw a monkey wrench into all of the pontificating parrots here, but I believe you as a USA citizen with a valid ENHANCED Drivers licence,
can use that DL to enter mexico - no passport needed.
Assuming of course your state issues enhanced licences, and you qualify and are approved.
Thats all theoretical of course, I know of one case where the mexican border guard would not accept it to issue the FMM. while the same guy, with
the same licence, entered no problem at another time with another border guard on duty.
and in this specific case, i do not believe a permanent resident (non USA citizen) qualifies for an enhanced licence, but I may be wrong on that.
[Edited on 4-25-2019 by caj13] |
I was hoping this would come up.
I have a US passport. But my friend does not. But has an enhanced California license.
Will the enhanced license be acceptable when entering into Mex. for getting a tourist visa? |
Enhanced DL only works for land crossing, and only if the border has equipment to read it. Who the flock knows if they got equipment and whether it
works?  Get a passport.
Fishy, i thought you travel to and from Mexico in your fancy airplane?  For
that you need a passport to enter Mexico 
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I have heard about the REAL ID issue recently, but the "Enhanced Drivers license" is new to me and a seperate thing.
Does look like a real thing though, only available in a few states currently - Michigan, New York, Vermont, Minnesotaa, and Washington
They provide travelers with a low-cost, convenient alternative to a passport for entering the United States from Canada, Mexico or the Caribbean
through a land or sea port of entry, in addition to serving as a permit to drive.
Part of the "Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative"
Enhanced drivers licenses makes it easier for US citizens to enter or cross the border into the United States because of the following characteristics
of the EDL:
a vicinity Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) chip that will signal a secure system to pull up your biographic and biometric data for the CBP
officer as you approach the border inspection booth, and
a Machine Readable Zone (MRZ) or barcode that the CBP officer can read electronically if RFID isn't available.
now whether the homie at the border giving you an FMM actually knows about this extremely rare thing will be another story altogether, I would get a
passport or passport card
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Blended family passport problem?
Since the OP said he got his answer quite a few posts back, I will continue with a reply to a question he didn't ask!
Forty years ago, I married a woman who had a four, and a five year old son. When she got her passport years later, the marriage license was
sufficient documentation for the name change from her birth certificate, but our adult children have to initiate new court proceedings to get a
passport in the name they have been using almost all their lives! That includes social security, school, DL, and every other ID they have ever had.
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FMM works as a visa for those who are citizens of countries on the Mexican visa-waiver list. But it is not a visa.
Visas are issued at the consulate.
FMM is issued at the border.
Different documents, different eligibility, different screening process.
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| Quote: Originally posted by defrag4 | I have heard about the REAL ID issue recently, but the "Enhanced Drivers license" is new to me and a seperate thing.
Does look like a real thing though, only available in a few states currently - Michigan, New York, Vermont, Minnesotaa, and Washington
They provide travelers with a low-cost, convenient alternative to a passport for entering the United States from Canada, Mexico or the Caribbean
through a land or sea port of entry, in addition to serving as a permit to drive.
Part of the "Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative"
Enhanced drivers licenses makes it easier for US citizens to enter or cross the border into the United States because of the following characteristics
of the EDL:
a vicinity Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) chip that will signal a secure system to pull up your biographic and biometric data for the CBP
officer as you approach the border inspection booth, and
a Machine Readable Zone (MRZ) or barcode that the CBP officer can read electronically if RFID isn't available.
now whether the homie at the border giving you an FMM actually knows about this extremely rare thing will be another story altogether, I would get a
passport or passport card
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California also has enhanced licences now.
also goat, they work Land or sea entry - not air.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Alm |
FMM works as a visa for those who are citizens of countries on the Mexican visa-waiver list. But it is not a visa.
Visas are issued at the consulate.
FMM is issued at the border.
Different documents, different eligibility, different screening process.
[Edited on 4-26-2019 by Alm] |
Bingo!
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So does anyone know if an Enhance California Driver's License with special law enforcement family security seal will be accepted at San Ysidro at that
specific Mexico Border Office in that kinda big white build with all them windows and doors and stuff for the issuance of the visitor document that
allows people on the good boy and girl country list, the country being the good ole USofA.
Can my friend use this form of ID to get the FMM that is "like" a visa.
Please answer that question for me if you know the real answer.
Otherwise I will tell you next Thursday or Friday when we try it.
Incidentily, we may have the reciept for the Passport from the Passport office also which I believe works as a temporary passport.
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I know I'm going to regret this but Fishbuck, what's an " Enhance California Driver's License with special law enforcement family security seal?"
Are you talking about some special ID for cops or something?
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I don't know.
Ist I ever saw one.
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I have not found a thing on the Google machine about this "law enforcement family security seal." Hmm. Just the new Real ID, or the conventional
non-Real ID driver licenses.
Since I have a passport card I think I'm going to forego the real ID and just keep my conventional license when I renew in December. If they don't
extend my existing license once again. Not even sure you can still opt out of the Real ID or not.
John
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | I have not found a thing on the Google machine about this "law enforcement family security seal." Hmm. Just the new Real ID, or the conventional
non-Real ID driver licenses.
Since I have a passport card I think I'm going to forego the real ID and just keep my conventional license when I renew in December. If they don't
extend my existing license once again. Not even sure you can still opt out of the Real ID or not.
John
[Edited on 4-27-2019 by John Harper] |
doubt you can opt out, how will big brother track you without your RFID device in your pocket at all times? 
Well I guess he could use your cellphone 
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | I have not found a thing on the Google machine about this "law enforcement family security seal." Hmm. Just the new Real ID, or the conventional
non-Real ID driver licenses.
Since I have a passport card I think I'm going to forego the real ID and just keep my conventional license when I renew in December. If they don't
extend my existing license once again. Not even sure you can still opt out of the Real ID or not.
John
[Edited on 4-27-2019 by John Harper] |
Get REAL ID. starting oct 2020, you cant get thru tsa at airport w/o REAL ID.
Enhanced DL is REAL ID.
You will also need REAL ID to enter a fed facility, e.g. military base.
Last month going through SY border my buddy showed his EDL instead of PP, to test his new DL. The usa border booth guard said it was one of the first
he had seen, so not too common yet.
[Edited on 4-27-2019 by mtgoat666]
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