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Pompano
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Locals owning palapas don't have fires? I wonder where I and the bomberos have been fighting all these fires for over 30 years in the Mulege area?
Hmmm...only two were in gringo-land...all the rest of the dozens that I attended were in local-land. Guess human carelessness knows no nationalities.
I wonder why no recent new homes for Mexicans include an all palapa construction? 
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mex ray
have been discussed here before...there's an outfit up in Mexicali, I believe that makes the Styrofoam like panels with heavy wire grids on each side.
You mechanically join them together with clamped steel rings - cut out your windows and doors - frame in the openings - then gunite each side to make
a high 'R' value structure.
Don't remember the name of the Company that makes them in Mexico. This system has worked real well in 3rd world countries as a cheap way to
manufacture housing. It's easier than cement blocks and goes up faster. |
the mice git in to these and destroy them fast. you need to be careful to keep
them patched.
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yachtmerchant
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Bruce R Leech
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comitan
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palapas
The worst problem with palapas is termites, when you see little round holes in the stem and find a fine dust on your tables ther'e not going hungery.
If you like tile look they have the corrugated panels now with 2 sheets and 1in. closed cell foam insulation between, fireproof and looks good.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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yachtmerchant
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Wow, first of all thanks to all of you for your input, but i have to say i am overwhelmed and not a little more confused than when i started! We want
to build a sustianable home we can use a few months out of the year for the next 4 or 5 years and when our daughter gets out of college, move there. I
will admit that for all of the reading and researching i have done you could not fill a thimble with my true knowledge of building in this
environment. One thing i do know is that i have a very modest budget. The Palapa is so desirable because of its out door living appeal and esthetics.
I can see the benefits and downfalls of strawbale construction. What about stucco or concrete blocks or a combination of any of all of these? There
must be a way! I hope some of all of you good folks can point me in some productive direction. Again Thank you all so very much and any and all
responses will be greatly appretiated! ..... YM
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Bruce R Leech
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I use cement Rock and steel in all my new construction it is cheaper and better than anything else in this claimant. straw bails and palms are only
for temporary structures. in my opinion.
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yachtmerchant
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Bruce,
Thanks for the response! What is the basic cost per square foot for this type of construction. Im looking at 1000 to 1200 Sq. Ft. of
enclosed living space. Thanks in advance! YM
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El Jefe
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We are building our house on the East Cape out of tridi panel. http://www.tridipanel.com/
It is made in Mexicali and available throughout Baja. The stuff is kind of like straw bale, which we considered strongly, in that it has an insulator
core covered with stucco or concrete. It goes up quickly like straw bale, and is very strong. I can't speak for the ecologicalness of the foam core,
but of all the available building supplies around it looked the best for us.
The website is for a guy selling it in Vista, CA. He is very helpful if you have questions.
No b-tchin\' in the Baja.
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bajajudy
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When we built our second floor bathroom, we used the tri-panels. Our guy threw cemento at it until it was full and then stuco-ed it and it is as
strong as bloques. It is also supposed to be a better insulator than blocks.
Most of the new construction here uses it.
I like palapa roofs...they breathe. Ours is what they call a shade palapa. Not real expensive so if they blow away no biggy and the rest of our
house is cemento so the fire hazard is reduced.
WE all have opinions.
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El Jefe
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Judy, we should hook up.
Paula and I will be staying at the Brisa del Mar trailer park while Ian builds the house out at TerraNova. We will be there in May and would love to
meet you. Tom
No b-tchin\' in the Baja.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Yankee
Juan a member of this board is building a cinderblock Home in Loreto. you might u2u him and ask His Opinion.
Pom; While I was in Loreto there were only 2 Fires that I remember, one being downtown next to the Cafe Ole another outside of the downtown Area.
I do not count Truipi as that was anAccident getting ready to Happen!!
To Each His Own; I and my Mexicans friends built "Rancho Sonrisa" . I used Chlordane on theOjas, so no Termites, Used Palm Posts brought out of the
Canyons by Mule, used Bull Hides from San Javier for Rawhide, Quarried rock from near the Rock Paintings near San
Nicholas,
It had 67 hand Made window made by "Bianco", 6 Fans so I never had to be concerned about A/c.
Stained glass made by a little old couple in Villa constitution, Cabinets hand made.
It was a Dream and an Adventure.
"Thats what it was all about"!!!!!
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yachtmerchant
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Thanks to all and please keep the ideas and information coming. You guys are awesome and i have learned more in the last 3 day about this process than
i have searching the web for 3 weeks! ... YM
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Juan a member of this board is building a cinderblock Home in Loreto. you might u2u him and ask His Opinion.
Pom; While I was in Loreto there were only 2 Fires that I remember, one being downtown next to the Cafe Ole another outside of the downtown Area.
I do not count Truipi as that was anAccident getting ready to Happen!!
To Each His Own; I and my Mexicans friends built "Rancho Sonrisa" . I used Chlordane on theOjas, so no Termites, Used Palm Posts brought out of the
Canyons by Mule, used Bull Hides from San Javier for Rawhide, Quarried rock from near the Rock Paintings near San
Nicholas,
It had 67 hand Made window made by "Bianco", 6 Fans so I never had to be concerned about A/c.
Stained glass made by a little old couple in Villa constitution, Cabinets hand made.
It was a Dream and an Adventure.
"Thats what it was all about"!!!!!
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this is absolutely the worst Ida I have herd of. type in Chlordane on Goggle and read some of the articles. I hope you worn people when they come to
visit you.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by yachtmerchant
Bruce,
Thanks for the response! What is the basic cost per square foot for this type of construction. Im looking at 1000 to 1200 Sq. Ft. of
enclosed living space. Thanks in advance! YM |
I really cant give you a figure on that there are to many variables in the quality of construction such as the finish work etc.
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yankeeirishman
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First of all: thanks Skeet/Loreto.
Secondary to yachtmerchant: do what I did....go to the El Dorado Ranch (not the ocean side) with a day and a camera! Stop by all the construction
sites, ask a lot of questions (take a translator if you don?t speak Native), take pictures of techniques, and do walk troughs.
Then go to the supply houses (of the area you site is) and ask for prices of materials, they are very happy to do this (management-not a clerk). Vast
amount of same material can be bargain to a lower price and free delivery.
Then.... you consult this forum and the Web for building techniques. My only prohibit on construction at Campos Octillio (San Felipe) is not to
exceed 14 feet in height. Check you restrictions at your site!!!
The bottom line for learning (for me) on how to proceed on building a house in Baja: this forum and a day at the El Dorado! I have learned more from
the good fellows and ladies here, more than anywhere.
I have started to process of building our home here at the campos. First thing I did was to make sure that I could live with the land deal we made.
We can! Second thing is to tow an old trailer to our site, to live in during construction. I was to do this during Easter. Thanks to the weather up
here at Sacramento?no go. Third phase is to start construction! Email me if I can help you with any thing.
But remember?most here on this forum are a lot more experienced than I am at this La Casa stuff. They will help all that they can, just be crystal
clear and detailed with your questions
One request that I have of you: please do not use a leach septic system at you future home. All the waste will just travel to that blue water you
swim in!
What control freaks there are here. Don\'t believe that post you just read!
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Skeet/Loreto
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Very good Advice
You know you can "Do it yourself" or you can pay others to do it for You.
I have never agreed with Canadians or americans going to Baja using their Skills and making all the Money instead of using the Mexicanos and doing it
their Way.
Just a matter of Opinion.
Chordane applied in the proper amount the Proper Manner will safely take care of the Termites.
There are many , many homes in the Us that had it used. To Date I have not heard or Seen any Problems from its Proper Use.{It is also real good for
those Large Ants on the Beach.
Live Life and enjoy Baja, Do not be Afraid, Life is too much fun.
Skeet/Loreto
Good Luck
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
You know you can "Do it yourself" or you can pay others to do it for You.
I have never agreed with Canadians or americans going to Baja using their Skills and making all the Money instead of using the Mexicanos and doing it
their Way.
Just a matter of Opinion.
Chordane applied in the proper amount the Proper Manner will safely take care of the Termites.
There are many , many homes in the Us that had it used. To Date I have not heard or Seen any Problems from its Proper Use.{It is also real good for
those Large Ants on the Beach.
Live Life and enjoy Baja, Do not be Afraid, Life is too much fun.
Skeet/Loreto
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that is why they outlawed it 20 years ago:lol h well it only has a 20 year half
life. but you are right about one thang it kills Bugs to.want to by some DDT?
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Bruce R Leech
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Why Are We Concerned About Chlordane?
Everyone in the United States has been exposed to low levels of chlordane due to its wide spread use. Because chlordane is bioaccumulative, it builds
up in our food chain and becomes more concentrated as it moves up our food chain to humans and other wildlife. Fish consumption advisories for some
species are in effect for chlordane in the Great Lakes ecosystem. Chlordane remains in our food supply because it was commonly used on crops in the
1960's and 1970's.
What harmful effects can Chlordane have on us?
Likely causes cancer and may cause liver cancer
Can cause behavioral disorders in children if they were exposed before birth or while nursing
Harms the endocrine system, nervous system, digestive system, and liver
How are we exposed to Chlordane?
Infants may be exposed through breast milk
By eating contaminated fish and shellfish
Unborn children exposed through the mother's blood stream
Highest exposure from living in homes that were treated with chlordane for termites
Where can Chlordane be found?
Current uses:
Fire ant control in power transformers
Potential Sources to our Environment:
Found in particles in the water column
Other treated soils
Soil surrounding wooden structures controlled for termites
Water sediments
Transport by atmosphere from other regions; deposited in rain, snow, dust
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Homes Remain Contaminated For Decades
Chlordane is such a highly toxic and persistent chemical that homes treated 20-30 years ago are still showing unsafe levels of chlordane in the indoor
air. The problem occurs because the hundreds of gallons of chlordane underneath the home are slowly evaporating, rising through cracks in the
foundation or around plumbing pipes and entering the home. One of the first studies to find there was a problem came in the 1970's when the U.S. Air
Force randomly tested over 500 apartments and housing units of its airmen. Results showed approximately 75% of the units tested contained chlordane in
the air and over 5% were above the National Academy of Sciences "safety guidelines" of 5 micrograms per cubic meter of air (1).
Unfortunately, this is turning out not to be an isolated case. Further studies by the New Jersey Department of Environmental Regulation and other
agencies have found similar results in hundreds of homes in New Jersey and New York. Of great concern, when testing 64 homes built before 1980,
researchers found more than 30% of the homes contained chlordane levels above the 5 microgram safety limit set by the National Academy of Sciences
(2).
Illnesses Linked To Chlordane Home Exposure
There are now several university studies showing even so-called acceptable levels of chlordane in indoor air can cause respiratory and neurological
problems. These are outlined by sections below:
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Families in apartment complex treated with chlordane show increases in sinusitis, bronchitis, migraines, cough & anemia
JOURNAL: Bulletin of Environmental Contamination Toxicology, 39:903 (1987)
A study of 261 people who were either living or had lived in homes with higher air chlordane levels were found to have nearly three-times more
respiratory illnesses, including sinusitis (infection of the sinuses) and bronchitis. The study, conducted at the School of Public Health, University
of Illinois, also found other illnesses significantly more often in the chlordane homes. These included chronic cough, anemia, neuritis,
ovarian/uterine disease and skin disorders. The migraine headaches, which was the worst acute symptom found, was occurring in 22% of people living in
the higher level chlordane homes.
An important point of this study is that researchers divided the 261 people into three groups based on the level of chlordane found in their homes.
These included:
LOW EXPOSURE (under 1 microgram of chlordane per cubic meter of air in the home)
MEDIUM EXPOSURE (1-5 micrograms of chlordane per cubic meter of air in the home)
HIGH EXPOSURE (over 5 micrograms of chlordane per cubic meter of air in the home)
Separating people into these groups is done in order to look for what is called a "dose-response" effect, which strongly suggests that the chemical is
in fact causing the illnesses. A dose-response effect means that as the amount of chlordane in the air increases, we would also see a corresponding
increase in health problems. This is in fact, exactly what the researchers stated they had found. In conclusion, Dr. Clark stated,
"The finding of a dose-response relationship between the indoor air concentrations of chlordane and three self-reported chronic health conditions
(migraine, sinusitis, and bronchitis) suggests that chlordane could have chronic human health impacts. The association between chlordane and migraine
and bronchitis is consistent with previous reports of these symptoms in chlordane poisoning or incident cases. Aplastic and acute refractory
megaloblastic anemia and effects on the female reproductive system have also been associated with chlordane and/or heptachlor exposure. In our study,
half the homes judged to have had a proper termiticide application had detectable air levels of chlordane, an average of 2.7 micrograms per cubic
meter, months to years following the last application... The United States Environmental Protection Agency has often considered lifetime cancer risks
exceeding one in a million as unacceptable. An air level of less than 0.1 micrograms per cubic meter, which appears unachievable, may need to be
required to have cancer risks within an acceptable range. On August 11, 1987, on the basis of new evaluations regarding the safety of the cyclodiene
termiticides, EPA announced the cancellation of virtually all termiticide uses of chlordane, heptachlor, aldrin and dieldrin."
This study was reported by Dr. J. Milton Clark, Ph.D.
School of Pubic Health, University of Illinois
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