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pacificobob
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Quote: Originally posted by motoged  | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
mcj'jiz has also accused me of stalking via U2U.
Why you keep stalking me on this board I have no idea.
At least this time you didn't search the internet for every college football forum, boating forum, and Chevy truck forum I post on.
[Edited on 6-14-2021 by JZ] |
Just to clarify a few of your misconceptions, I would like to inform you that other Nomads brought your rude presence on those forums to my attention
last year. Some even forwarded their passwords to get into those other forums online so I could see your posts and responses (similar to comments
here). I spent about a half hour on one forum and saw that your posting style is ubiquitous. I have NOT been following any of these links, but some
Nomads will periodically forward info about your posts on those forums just to share your wealth of knowledge and self-designated correctness on all
matters.
So, I haven't been stalking you....just responding to your narcissistic posts here.....as I told you I would.
Recently other Nomads have responded frequently to your posts, but you haven't accused any of them stalking you. What's with that?
If you want to continue to post your attitudes on the internet, get used to the idea you will get feedback.
Take a few deep breaths and consider what makes you such a chite magnet....
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RFClark
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One picture says it all!
We camped and off roaded at Pismo n the ‘70s before the government “improved” it! Note the distant hills to the south. You used to be able to
drive there!
Watch the tides carefully!
Watch the Rangers even more carefully! (Ticket$)
Learn why Mexico is better!
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John Harper
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | One picture says it all!
We camped and off roaded at Pismo n the ‘70s before the government “improved” it! |
Most likely, abuse and increased destruction of the area's habitat forced the government to step in. I'm sure no one ever spilled gas, oil, or left
any trash, beer cans or bottles, or just burned it all in holes dug in the sand. You certainly wouldn't condone that, would you? If people policed
themselves and respected common areas, we wouldn't have to use the heavy hand of government. A hike up the San Gabriel River canyons will show you
how much respect our public lands receive. Don't forget some spray paint, so you can join the fun!
John
[Edited on 6-15-2021 by John Harper]
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RFClark
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Dear John,
When we all off roaded there in the ‘70s the land in question was a producing oil field! In those days off-roaders were generally responsible and
hauled out their trash! We did and still do!
The oil companies finally closed the area to the public because of people suing them because the people were stupid!
I understand the current small area was “donated” to the government which runs it as a revenue source not a public service! The closed nature
preserve (oil field) was also donated!
The San Gabriel and Santa Ana River Canyons are both “home” to a very large number of “Migrants sans documents” and the “Shelter
Challenged” to use your PC revisionist vocabulary! Yes, the do make a mess of the river canyons as well as start fires!
Not very many bajanomad members, except possibly Goat, live there! Ditto for the spray paint which is now venerated as “Woke Street Art”! (Not!)
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pacificobob
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remind us...what was revised ala "pc"? aren't poor people just awful!?
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John Harper
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Tovarisch,
It's hilarious how words trigger you Trumpists. "Own the Libs!", PC, Woke, Socialist, CRT, etc. What you don't understand, you denigrate and affix
childish nomenclature. How quaint.
I guess that's how you deal with your fear of progress, hide behind silly little names that mean nothing. As hollow as Republican policy.
John
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Oh how nice - PC returns!
As a linguistics history lesson for you revisionist history seditionists, who by your words and actions demonstrate on a daily basis that you hate
the constitution and our democracy:
PC was the first use of "Code" by individuals who did not want to be held accountable for their words and actions. So - they Invented PC as their
dogwhistle, trying to make it seem like they were under attack for their words and actions. Conveniently ignoring the fact that they own their
words, and the consequences that come with them.
You have every right to your ideals, words, actions , BUT - you seem to forget that you have responsibility for them and the consequences that
follow! for some reason, you seem to think you should not be held accountable. I disagree, i believe you are accountable. Thats where we
fundamentally differ -
PC has fallen into disuse as much more modern reiterations - things like Cancel Culture, and Woke, have taken the place of PC.
So When do you pseudo Patriots plan to start taking responsibility for your words and actions?
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RFClark
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John,
Those residing in and defiling the SA and SG river canyons generally aren't Conservatives! Those spray painting everything in sight definitely aren't!
While both are inevitable neither represents “progress” to most of us! That said they are a direct result of decades of bad governance in
California! “Equity is not Equality” and “Progressive is not Progress” automatically! Name calling is, however very “Progressive”!
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | John,
Those residing in and defiling the SA and SG river canyons generally aren't Conservatives! Those spray painting everything in sight definitely aren't!
While both are inevitable neither represents “progress” to most of us! That said they are a direct result of decades of bad governance in
California! “Equity is not Equality” and “Progressive is not Progress” automatically! Name calling is, however very “Progressive”!
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Sounds about right. Especially the name calling or trying to top each other with cute little sayings. Reminds me of the old movie “Revenge of the
Nerds” where the nerds go after the jocks who have been tormenting them. In this scenario it is always the same non pc posters who are swarmed by
the same nerds. Prime entertainment in these boring times.
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I seem to recall that your delusional leader, Donald J Trump, was the queen of name-calling and insults.
Btw, it is not name-calling to tell the truth that GOP supporters of Trump are bigots, since it is a truism that Trump is stone-cold bigot (and his
entire persona and political message is built on bigotry) and support of trump means the supporter is bigot too.
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Even more likely than your "most likely" supposition is that the public has been provided with slanted information from enviro N-zis and other
political activists that have used the California Coastal Commission and unelected individuals in state agencies to achieve what they otherwise could
not.
See, e.g.:
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/05/11/222751...
https://kmph.com/news/local/friends-of-oceano-dunes-win-cour...
https://calcoasttimes.com/2021/02/20/friends-of-the-oceano-d...
https://www.facebook.com/FriendsofOceanoDunes/
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Having lived in the Central Coast since 1960, we are very familiar with Pismo Beach and Oceano Dunes. While we spent much time driving the beach and
the dunes, there were practically no quads, and few people. The photo of the end of the S end of Pismo (Point Sal, an excellent hike) required
fording the Santa Maria River (tidal basin) and climbing "Devils Slide" at the beach end. Very few could make it over the "slide" and few did. At
the top is heavy vegetation. We could drive to the end of the beach and attempt the slide. In time, the increase of quads, dune buggies, etc started
destroying the vegetation. The access along Oso Flaco Lake was closed as photographic documentation showed over time how plant life was trampled and
lost. Oso Flaco (very close to old oil well drilling area) is now a County Park, parking fee, fully recovered with native plant life, and a hiking
trail (with a bridge over Lake) to the beach. Known as a birder's paradise due to the canopy of trees, and pathway to excellent surf fishing.
Available to everyone it is well utilized by folks walking the short trip to the beach. The difference between the 1970's and now is overwhelmingly
apparent. This road used to be my way across the dunes to surf fish and travel south on the beach. Time, increase in population, more vehicles,
simply closed otherwise open areas. It appears that soon the dunes may be closed for good as a consequence of increased vehicle activity causing
air-born hazardous particulates to be carried by the wind into adjacent populated cities.
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Jack,
Thanks for that accurate over view of Pismo Dunes. Like you I am a local and have been using the beach since the 60's. You are absolutely correct
that the dunes have been overwhelmed by the increase in population and the types of vehicles now present in large numbers. I think the current fairly
generous daily limits on number of vehicles is working pretty well. I buy the $50 annual pass and use it to park on the beach at the very north end
of the vehicle area. I enter the beach at the Grand Ave entrance so my total distance driven is about 500 yards. Then I take my daily 2 mile walk
north towards Pismo in the non-vehicle area. This allows me to avoid searching for a spot in the lot which is often full. I consider the $50 annual
pass to be a great bargain. While I'm driving a 4wd vehicle I haven't been in the south part of the beach in the camping/off road area in probably 25
years.
I also really like the walk out to Oso Flaco and the mostly deserted beach out there. I think, however, that it is part of the State Park not a
County beach since they accept my annual pass for parking. Also State Parks in their recent plan proposed expansion of Oso Flaco to include a large
campground and maybe increased vehicle access once again which I think would be a great step backwards. I feel that the current use regs work pretty
well. Easily accessed non vehicle areas which are great for family use and old guys like me who value the daily beach walk without getting run over,
as well as camping and off road vehicle use on the south end with some use limitations on all categories of users.
JZ has recvd good advice for his rig in the sand but be aware that the sand changes as you go further south and larger rigs have the greatest risk of
getting stuck down there resulting is some great YouTube videos.
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Kurt, I guess I denied to myself that Oso Flaco is a part of the State Parks system. Actually the Oceano Dunes State Vehicle Recreational Area. Their
plans for the area including another access to the dunes, 20 cabins, 100 tent sites, 200 RV camp sites, a paved concession area, etc. are absurd. The
whole area has recovered from vehicle use and is a joy to experience. The State Parks has not been a good steward of its land and these potential
changes will change it forever.
We do many of our hiking trips in the Pt. Sal area along Paradise Beach and environs. The adjacent SVRA dunes at Oso Flaco tends to be noisy from the
off-road vehicles.
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California has 840 miles of coastline.
Dedicating 8 miles of that to OHV use seems reasonable to me. As does having limits on the number of daily camp sites and vehicles.
I signed the petition to push back on the whackados trying to shut it down. They want to take something great from so many generations of families
and turn off the $250M of annual business it generates for the local community.
[Edited on 6-17-2021 by JZ]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | California has 840 miles of coastline.
Dedicating 8 miles of that to OHV use seems reasonable to me. As does having limits on the number of daily camp sites and vehicles.
I signed the petition to push back on the whackados trying to shut it down. They want to take something great from so many generations of families
and turn off the $250M of annual business it generates for the local community.
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State Parks estimates $70 million not 250 million. http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/1170/files/2007%20Economic%20I...
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | California has 840 miles of coastline.
Dedicating 8 miles of that to OHV use seems reasonable to me. As does having limits on the number of daily camp sites and vehicles.
I signed the petition to push back on the whackados trying to shut it down. They want to take something great from so many generations of families
and turn off the $250M of annual business it generates for the local community.
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Oh shyte, are you ready for the "unleashing"?
You can't have a differing opinion! You must be ridiculed and silenced!
🙄🤭
I like beer, better than most people.
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That study is from 2007, using data from 2005. If you look at the bottom of page one, the total impact was estimated at $101M, not $70M.
I've read other more recent sources that cite $220M economic impact on the local communities. That sounds very reasonable to me.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
That study is from 2007, using data from 2005. If you look at the bottom of page one, the total impact was estimated at $101M, not $70M.
I've read other more recent sources that cite $220M economic impact on the local communities. That sounds very reasonable to me.
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I can think of many things societies have chosen to ban despite their economic impact, for example, gambling, fireworks, child labor, whaling, c-ck
fighting, dog fighting, recreational narcotics, prostitution, slavery, etc.
Woke!
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The kids at Pismo circa 2012.
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