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Maderita
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Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  | | Quote: Originally posted by Lee | A gate NOB means the same as a gate SOB. It means private property and owner wants to keep people out. Whether it's legal or not has no bearing.
Maybe people need to see a sign that reads KEEP THE F' OUT!
If you don't know the owner or have permission to open the gate, it's called trespassing. That has to be a difficult concern for some gringoes.
Am I missing something? |
yes, you are missing something
gates in Baja have several different functions
seasoned Baja travelers know that well |
4x4abc has it correct. Most of BC and BCS is ejido land. Ejidatarios have use of their share of the communal land. Much of it is rugged wilderness.
Also open-range, with cattle roaming for miles to get a half-full stomach. Most of the gates we are talking about are on rural dirt roads, and for the
purpose of containing livestock. Some have steel gates with padlocks. Further from civilization, most gates are constructed of barbed wire strung
across sticks, with a typical bailing wire loop closure, and no lock.
Unless there is a sign stating not to pass, my protocol is: open the gate, close the gate behind and properly tension, proceed slowly if there are
livestock. If the road leads directly to a ranch house, 15 kph and no dust. Stop and ask permission to pass after introducing yourself,
politely stating your purpose, and perhaps offering a cold beer or soda. The ranchers know the area and may tell you about interesting places to see,
as well as, what to avoid - problem places, narcos, washouts, etc.
Of course, this advice does not apply to urban areas, private driveways, and gates obviously meant to protect dwellings/businesses/private property.
If you are interested in how much of the peninsula is covered by ejido land, take a look at this map. Ejidos are shaded in blue.
https://databasin.org/maps/new/#datasets=a5e789aa10fb4efbbd8...
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Don Pisto
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you think you're the only "lencho" on this board?
there's only two things in life but I forget what they are........
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My apologies Lencho. I had meant to reply to Lee's post. Sorry for the confusion!
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | | Quote: Originally posted by Lee | A gate NOB means the same as a gate SOB. It means private property and owner wants to keep people out. Whether it's legal or not has no bearing.
Maybe people need to see a sign that reads KEEP THE F' OUT!
If you don't know the owner or have permission to open the gate, it's called trespassing. That has to be a difficult concern for some gringoes.
Am I missing something? |
yes, you are missing something
gates in Baja have several different functions
seasoned Baja travelers know that well |
Seasoned travelers who come across closed gates have to make a distinction as to why it’s gated and closed. Locked gates a different story.
2-3 posts talk about keys and bolt cutters. The humor escapes me.
I’ll assume there wasn’t a lock or no trespassing sign on the gate you went through before you were “escorted off the prop by ranchers with
rifles.”
Tom posts a bolt cutter is a way to get though a gate. DK thinks that’s a cool idea. Funny stuff for some.
Seasoned gringo travelers might or might not know how to make a distinction with gates. Your distinction was wrong. Armed ranchers can shoot
you too. Your call.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by Lee | A gate NOB means the same as a gate SOB. It means private property and owner wants to keep people out. Whether it's legal or not has no bearing.
Maybe people need to see a sign that reads KEEP THE F' OUT!
If you don't know the owner or have permission to open the gate, it's called trespassing. That has to be a difficult concern for some gringoes.
Am I missing something? |
Gringos tend to think gates are optional in Baja.
Many of these same gringos lose their chit if a Mexican opens a gate and enters their private property in usa.
Just saying! |
My gate is usually closed in Pesky. MXs don’t come in the gate ever. They’ll wait until noticed. Every time.
Don’t know if that’s courtesy or respect. A closed gate means something different to these ppl. They prob don’t feel entitled —
like most gringoes. Seasoned or not.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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John Harper
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Wow. Almost the entire peninsula.
John
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | A gate NOB means the same as a gate SOB. It means private property and owner wants to keep people out. Whether it's legal or not has no bearing.
Maybe people need to see a sign that reads KEEP THE F' OUT!
If you don't know the owner or have permission to open the gate, it's called trespassing. That has to be a difficult concern for some gringoes.
Am I missing something? |
What you are missing is the extremely common notion among gringos that baja is here for primary for their amusement.
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Gates in Baja: actually, unless signed differently, a gate is used to keep livestock in or out (not people). A dirt road is used by different people
and not just property owners. Simply close the gate after you pass through.
Ejido map. For future reference and easy to find, I have the ejido map saved in my maps section at VivaBaja.com as the third linked map: https://vivabaja.com/maps/
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| Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob | | Quote: Originally posted by Lee | A gate NOB means the same as a gate SOB. It means private property and owner wants to keep people out. Whether it's legal or not has no bearing.
Maybe people need to see a sign that reads KEEP THE F' OUT!
If you don't know the owner or have permission to open the gate, it's called trespassing. That has to be a difficult concern for some gringoes.
Am I missing something? |
What you are missing is the extremely common notion among gringos that baja is here for primary for their amusement. |
The motorbikes and 4wds (1) travel too fast, (2) damage roads, and (3) cut new trails/roads and otherwise cause damage to land and vegetation.
I applaud the landowners erecting fences to keep out the riff raff.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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just a reminder
i asked what you think about a gate database
not about what you prefer to do with gates
Harald Pietschmann
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pacificobob
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If the gate to my place is closed and someone I'm not expecting enters, they will likely receive an unpleasant greeting .
Local Mexicans, never disrespect my closed gate.
[Edited on 3-24-2022 by pacificobob]
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Only riff raft nature Natzi has spoken . Off road rules here long after your sick life . Dont like it in Baja stay home you dont live here. So your
nature Natzi ways keep in your backyard .
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Nature Natzi?
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4x4abc
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like with children - ignore the bad, praise the good
Harald Pietschmann
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pacificobob
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Or perhaps enable spell check.
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| Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob | | Quote: Originally posted by Lee | A gate NOB means the same as a gate SOB. It means private property and owner wants to keep people out. Whether it's legal or not has no bearing.
Maybe people need to see a sign that reads KEEP THE F' OUT!
If you don't know the owner or have permission to open the gate, it's called trespassing. That has to be a difficult concern for some gringoes.
Am I missing something? |
What you are missing is the extremely common notion among gringos that baja is here for primary for their amusement. |
BINGO!
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy | | Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob | | Quote: Originally posted by Lee | A gate NOB means the same as a gate SOB. It means private property and owner wants to keep people out. Whether it's legal or not has no bearing.
Maybe people need to see a sign that reads KEEP THE F' OUT!
If you don't know the owner or have permission to open the gate, it's called trespassing. That has to be a difficult concern for some gringoes.
Am I missing something? |
What you are missing is the extremely common notion among gringos that baja is here for primary for their amusement. |
BINGO! |
Which in turn leads to the what the north (alta) and south are called (baja) by border region folks in MX about California. They never lost the war
ever time I ask why when I'm corrected for using the word.
My gate addition is on the road to the Jatay region off of 1D. I've ridden by horseback from there to the Libre road by the turn off to Guadalupe
valley. The LNG pipeline road from the Sempra plant to the border by the Otay peaking power plants has NO gates the whole way to the border
Es Todo Bueno
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Jinete Viejo
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N30 51.188 W115 50.846
On Feb 13th at the above location, a group of 3 motorcycle riders were turned around by a rancher with a rifle. He was cordial and wasn't interested
in a payment, but was adamant that no one could pass through the gate.
Interestingly, a rancher smiled and waved us through this gate in 2020.
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To Harald's post:
January 2022:
31.82490, -116.26330 - Locked Gate. Rancher opened for $5USD per person
31.71752, -115.97668 - Locked Gate. No easy way around
June 2021:
26.20474, -111.40155 - Locked Gate. There's a way around on an established path to the north.
25.86204, -112.0146 - Locked Gate. There's a "path" around to the east. Not really legit, but do-able.
25.87985, -112.00793 - Locked Gate. No "real" way around.
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4x4abc
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| Quote: Originally posted by aburruss | To Harald's post:
January 2022:
31.82490, -116.26330 - Locked Gate. Rancher opened for $5USD per person
31.71752, -115.97668 - Locked Gate. No easy way around
June 2021:
26.20474, -111.40155 - Locked Gate. There's a way around on an established path to the north.
25.86204, -112.0146 - Locked Gate. There's a "path" around to the east. Not really legit, but do-able.
25.87985, -112.00793 - Locked Gate. No "real" way around.
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thank you!
exept the lat 2 I had them already in the database
shame for the last 2
they are on the Old Baja Road
Harald Pietschmann
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