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AKgringo
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To be clear about my shakedown, I was pulled over for a different bullshoot reason. When they saw the dog, they dropped the first reason for pulling
me over and concentrated on the loose dog bit.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
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Tioloco
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Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  | | To be clear about my shakedown, I was pulled over for a different bullshoot reason. When they saw the dog, they dropped the first reason for pulling
me over and concentrated on the loose dog bit. |
Yes sir. That is why all of the advice on here about following the rules are so funny.
The rules in Mexico are definitely a MOVING target.
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Doug/Vamonos
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I drive a tall F250 w tinted windows in back. They were in a small patrol car. Maybe they saw my dog barely behind the window but could not possibly
know he was not leashed. Dog plus gringo near border probably in a hurry to get home equals good opportunity for mordida. As I said I played their
game and said I’d go to the police station and pay the fine. They clearly did not want to do that. Don’t pay mordidas.
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BeachSeeker
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Does anyone have the actual law or code, or whatever they call it? I am wondering what constitutes "restrained"? We travel with a 14lb dog, either
laying on the floorboard of the front seat or in the lap of the passenger. After hearing about this law, I attached a 3' leash under the seat that we
clip to her harness. Would this count as restrained? My guess is the cops only care about this law because they can use it to extort Americans, seeing
as how its no problem to have children in the bed of a truck unrestrained, or 2 year olds standing on the passenger seat unrestrained.
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Doug/Vamonos
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They specifically said the dog must be in a cage or restrained on a leash. In the lap of the driver or passenger will not do it. Nor will sitting
anywhere in the car without restraint. I did similar to you. I went to Walmart and bought two cheap ($1.50) 4' leashes that I looped around the
seatbelt base and connected to the dog's collars when I drive through Mexicali. They were securely tethered but still had enough leash to move around
in the back seat and look out the windows. Honestly they didn't even seem to notice anything was different. But I don't think you will be safe since
you are restraining the dog in the front. I think they want them in back away from the driver. And regardless of how the law is written, you want to
please the local policia. And they want the dogs in back. Good luck.
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BeachSeeker
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| Quote: Originally posted by Doug/Vamonos | | They specifically said the dog must be in a cage or restrained on a leash. In the lap of the driver or passenger will not do it. Nor will sitting
anywhere in the car without restraint. I did similar to you. I went to Walmart and bought two cheap ($1.50) 4' leashes that I looped around the
seatbelt base and connected to the dog's collars when I drive through Mexicali. They were securely tethered but still had enough leash to move around
in the back seat and look out the windows. Honestly they didn't even seem to notice anything was different. But I don't think you will be safe since
you are restraining the dog in the front. I think they want them in back away from the driver. And regardless of how the law is written, you want to
please the local policia. And they want the dogs in back. Good luck. |
Did they say the dog had to be in the back? I fully understand the enforcement is probably very fluid, based on the situation. That is why I was
hoping to get the actual letter of the law. "Restrained" is a pretty broad word. I'm hoping leashing the dog like we do is within the letter of the
law, even if the policia interpret it differently during a shakedown, I'd rather be in the right.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by BeachSeeker | | Quote: Originally posted by Doug/Vamonos | | They specifically said the dog must be in a cage or restrained on a leash. In the lap of the driver or passenger will not do it. Nor will sitting
anywhere in the car without restraint. I did similar to you. I went to Walmart and bought two cheap ($1.50) 4' leashes that I looped around the
seatbelt base and connected to the dog's collars when I drive through Mexicali. They were securely tethered but still had enough leash to move around
in the back seat and look out the windows. Honestly they didn't even seem to notice anything was different. But I don't think you will be safe since
you are restraining the dog in the front. I think they want them in back away from the driver. And regardless of how the law is written, you want to
please the local policia. And they want the dogs in back. Good luck. |
Did they say the dog had to be in the back? I fully understand the enforcement is probably very fluid, based on the situation. That is why I was
hoping to get the actual letter of the law. "Restrained" is a pretty broad word. I'm hoping leashing the dog like we do is within the letter of the
law, even if the policia interpret it differently during a shakedown, I'd rather be in the right. |
I assume you would buckle in your child or grandchild. So why do you not care enough about your pet to restrain them so they can survive a rollover
or head on collision?
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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mtgoat666
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How do you restrain a human being so they can survive rollover or head-on collision? Doesn’t your dog deserve to survive a crash? Should you be
better protected than your loved ones? You are the driver, so you are responsible for your pet’s life.
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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BeachSeeker
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
How do you restrain a human being so they can survive rollover or head-on collision? Doesn’t your dog deserve to survive a crash? Should you be
better protected than your loved ones? You are the driver, so you are responsible for your pet’s life. |
Get off of your soapbox already. This has nothing to do with the policia caring about the life of your pet, while the familia drives by with their
kids in the bed of the truck. Even in America, the few places that do have dog restraint laws are there specifically to keep the pet from distracting
the driver, and have nothing to do with pet safety. I asked if anyone knew the letter of the law, a simple "no" would suffice.
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Phil C
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I'll ask again, anyone have the actual law, so that maybe we could carry a copy for reference?
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BeachSeeker
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Thanks for the attempt Lencho. The first link is the only thing official, and the only mention of pets I could find is Article 59 saying that drivers
are prohibited from having children, pets, or objects on their laps. No mention of restraining pets.
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mtgoat666
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You need to look up the Mexicali municipal code…
https://www.mexicali.gob.mx
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Doug/Vamonos
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So your intention is to play lawyer on the side of the road with the policia and to argue about a law as to whether your dog can sit on the front
floor and you are going to show them your printout? Seriously? Good luck with that! I'll wave and laugh as I drive past you.
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BeachSeeker
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Thanks Lencho. I think I'll just get one of the leashes that attaches to the seatbelt receptacle. Seems like that is legal.
| Quote: Originally posted by Doug/Vamonos | | So your intention is to play lawyer on the side of the road with the policia and to argue about a law as to whether your dog can sit on the front
floor and you are going to show them your printout? Seriously? Good luck with that! I'll wave and laugh as I drive past you. |
No, my intention is to know the law so that I can operate my vehicle legally.
[Edited on 8-19-2023 by BeachSeeker]
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Phil C
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Thanks Lencho , this clarifies that a leash should be accepted as well as a cage. I'll wave back to Doug! 
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Lee
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Doesn't matter when the law was enacted or what it means generally, or specifically. The law is interpreted by police and gringoes are the targets.
Seriously doubt MX's are cited for any violations around restraints.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | Doesn't matter when the law was enacted or what it means generally, or specifically. The law is interpreted by police and gringoes are the targets.
Seriously doubt MX's are cited for any violations around restraints.
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mtgoat666
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Here are some stats. In USA:
>100,000 dogs die each year from riding in pickup beds unrestrained (many more are maimed or injured)
By comparison, 43,000 people die each year from vehicle accidents
An unrestrained pet that weighs 50 pounds, in a 35 mph collision, can be projected forward with 1,500 pounds of force
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | Here are some stats. In USA:
>100,000 dogs die each year from riding in pickup beds unrestrained (many more are maimed or injured)
By comparison, 43,000 people die each year from vehicle accidents
An unrestrained pet that weighs 50 pounds, in a 35 mph collision, can be projected forward with 1,500 pounds of force
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Who is keeping these stats? I know local police and state police dont enter unrestrained pets into a check box anywhere.
Where does this come from?
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