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MitchMan
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Skeet, there are so many inaccuracies in your post, I have no choice but to pronounce you "Skeet/Looney".
Barry, unless you are a mind reader and have talked to her, how do you know she is confused? And, please, don't you confuse actual knowledge with
inference, opinion or guess work... something that you do with almost every post you make. Now that's confusion, Barry.
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One thing I have learned from this thread
That a public servant, retiring with a pension less than some Social Security checks, is living a very comfortable life. Comfortable enough that in
all likelihood his beneficiaries will come into a nice inheritance.
How does this happen?
Paycheck by paycheck over decades he saved and invested. In down cycles and boom times, just kept socking it away. I'll guess he didn't have a new
car every two years, maybe not as big a house as some of his friends, yet he kept saving. He has managed to now have a very large nest egg. A nest
egg that will carry him through his retirement years.
A toast to you, Barry!
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Barry A.
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Thank you, Ken.
The ONLY "new car" we have EVER owned is our 2007 X-terra and the ONLY reason we bought it new was that I could not find one like I wanted "used"
 . It has been a very good life, and all your assumptions are correct. That is
really all I have ever been trying to convey---------it CAN be done!!!
As the Goat has been known to say: "Yes we can"
Thanks again, and viva Baja.
Barry
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wow this aught to get some attention. funded by th petroleum industry
http://www.pekintimes.com/opinions/columnists/x1535092026/Ge...
And mr digit. what Barry says is his salary was very good on the public dole while patrolling for rabits.
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Goat and Mitch-bravo to you both-the divide betwitxt the GOP and Libs is mind boggling, and even having a discussion is like beating your head against
a wall, so again, kudos to you both. I applaud you Barry for some fine financing. I wish you would not assume anything from the posted picture of that
girl. She is not confused, and there are millions out there just like her. OWS-it's not going away, and it may prove helpful to figure out why they
are there rather than just stating your general personal dislike for these demonstrations.
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political financing is legalized bribery, so we need full disclosure
conflict of interest?
we live with system of legalized bribery, so why not require congressman to reveal who bribed them??????
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Goat, can you learn to re-size your photo so it doesn't ruin the whole page for everyone else? Oh, and for balance, how about posting a democrat with
the money they get for corporations and labor unions?
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David
Looks like you lost one of your faithful. And look who the study was funded by. How do you figure?
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MitchMan
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Thanks, Krafty. Good stuff, Goat, using facts and reality is the way to go.
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All this talk of class warfare is a bit off base IMHO. I would never suggest to anyone that I am a spokesperson for the 99% but I do think this
represents what a lot of us out here feel...
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Ron
that photos says it all
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Copy that, BajaGringo.
I think it is a grave mistake to blame the current economic malaise and the near collapse of the financial sector on the rich and wealthy as a 100%
guilty homogenous monolithic group. There are definitely specific players that are in fact directly responsible for our problems, but they are a
relatively small number of the group of rich and wealthy and other of those guilty players are not among the rich and wealthy. Many of the bad
players are CEOs and executives of certain businesses and certainly the bad players are certain politicians and members of congress both past and
present. Also, many bad players are pundits. Also, most of the lobbying industry are bad players as well as certain think tanks.
The use of the term "class warfare" is a term that is brought up by the right wing, a grossly false assertion, and an intentional classic disingenuous
and intellectually dishonest abuse of the fallacy in logic known as the "strawman" argument.
The lady in the wheel chair has it exactly right. The rich and wealthy per se are not the problem, the bad players are, and it has been these bad
players that have been successful in using campaign contributions, public messaging, lobbyists, and the revolving door to coopt government and the
economy that led directly to the economic problems.
Bottom line, the single best and most effective remedy, after all is said and done, is to get money out of politics. That way, we might get more
statesmen in office and fewer lap dog politicians.
[Edited on 11-2-2011 by MitchMan]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A. I do wish they would think ahead and clean up (litterally) their act tho.
Cheers, Barry |
Here is the OWS effort in our community. This kind of peaceful and respectful demonstrations is typical of the movement nation wide. The corporate
controlled media (can you say Rupert Murdock?) would have you believe otherwise. Cops busting heads and initiating violence is what breeds
violence. They are only helping to alienate more ordinary citizens who then join the movement. It is happening around the world and there is no
stopping it!:
"Please forward this email to all your friends. Talk to 10 friends in
person today and tomorrow about the rally. Talk to one stranger about
the rally.
Our numbers are significant! The OWS movement is ALREADY showing
tangible change GLOBALLY, and this has been achieved largely by
visibility alone! Nobody can ignore the fundamental problem with the
current distribution of wealth. Come out and meet your fellow
neighbors, patriots, hard working community members to show solidarity
with people over the world standing up for humanity.
Please be sure to respect local businesses, do not park in front of
stores and save parking closest to the rally location for elderly and
disabled. Use parking in the Safeway parking lot, stretch out over to
the other end of the Brunswick center from Rite-Aid down to past
Grocery Outlet. Also park behind the wells fargo.
This is not a direct action, we are peacefully and lawfully assembling
to exercise our 1st amendment rights. Our code is strictly
NON-VIOLENT. We will not condone vandalism of our community including
the BofA on the corner.
We encourage all demonstrators to make CASH local purchases from our
local merchants! Gather with friends afterward to continue the
ongoing discussion.
WE ARE THE 99%"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
Bottom line, the single best and most effective remedy, after all is said and done, is to get money out of politics. That way, we might get more
statemen in office and fewer lap dog politicians. |
the point is that the US is now a democracy on paper only. the campaign financing system and money influence in politics has caused the government to
morph into a corporate/special interest oligarchy.
the gop and democrats are just mechanistic political lackeys of the corporate oligarchs. the occupy wall street movement is the last hope, the last
bastion of democracy. if populism cannot overthrow the oligarch, then the next logical step is revolution. yes, overthrow of the oligarch may make
cushy corporate jobs more tenuous, but as they say in new hampshire: live free or die! and in other words: no pain, no gain!
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posted on CNN
As for the banks, as companies, we've all heard the stories. Goldman, Sachs in 2008 – this was the same year the bank reported $2.9 billion in
profits, and paid out over $10 billion in compensation -- paid just $14 million in taxes, a 1% tax rate.
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| Quote: | mtgoat666
the point is that the US is now a democracy on paper only. the campaign financing system and money influence in politics has caused the government to
morph into a corporate/special interest oligarchy.
the gop and democrats are just mechanistic political lackeys of the corporate oligarchs.... |
Lotta truth in that.
A good thing would be that the OWS protest/movement would serve to stimulate enough of the 99% to vote better. It's all about voting in the right
people that will do better in their jobs, do better in congress instead of being so darn political/partisan, do better in appointing the right heads
of government agencies that agree with the mission of those agencies - not serve to defeat its mission, and vote for the right legislation and
policies.
Between the paralyzing partisanship and the money in politics and wrong headed messaging about the role of government and about economics, we, as a
country, are going to continue to spiral downward as the lopsided concentration of income and wealth at the top continues to worsen, further eroding
our future, our security, and our position in the world.
[Edited on 11-2-2011 by MitchMan]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
the point is that the US is now a democracy on paper only. the campaign financing system and money influence in politics has caused the government to
morph into a corporate/special interest oligarchy.
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I 100% agree which is why I have lost all hope for a political solution for the country. It truly saddens me to admit that but the deck is stacked...
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
A good thing would be that the OWS protest/movement would serve to stimulate enough of the 99% to vote better. |
not possible to "vote better." the 2 party system effectively excludes change, limits you to party hack candidates that perpetuate current system.
very rare for outsider to get past the gates.
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