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toneart
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A Guest-Worker program has ALWAYS been the proper way to deal with the "supposed" need for immigrant labor.
The Liberals, bowing to their Union constituency, have always been the opposition. |
That certainly would be the case. They could possibly change their tune if the program could assure that guest workers would be working only in
determined capacities such as agriculture harvesting and other seasonal jobs. The problem (not a problem for employers) comes when immigrants come in
and take over job sites and entire vocations. We don't need guest workers working in fast food. The fast food industry can pay market wages just like
In & Out Burgers does. |
Hey Packo, can you make it to join us at Mision Santa Maria? We haven't seen you since Camp Gecko New Years 2005! (That was Baja Angel's first trip
with me to Baja)...
(Hope it is okay to hijack this thread and talk about a Baja trip! LOL) |
That's a nice gesture, David!
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Oso
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"Well, as you know, Arizona has passed the strictest immigration law in the country, and in response, the mayor of San Francisco is pushing for a
boycott of the state of Arizona. This could be devastating to gay rodeos." –Jay Leno
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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norte
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
"Well, as you know, Arizona has passed the strictest immigration law in the country, and in response, the mayor of San Francisco is pushing for a
boycott of the state of Arizona. This could be devastating to gay rodeos." –Jay Leno |
Oh no. Gov Brewer signed major rollbacks in the law provisions... does that mean.......
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by norte
| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
"Well, as you know, Arizona has passed the strictest immigration law in the country, and in response, the mayor of San Francisco is pushing for a
boycott of the state of Arizona. This could be devastating to gay rodeos." –Jay Leno |
Oh no. Gov Brewer signed major rollbacks in the law provisions... does that mean....... |
Oh yes it does.
I have no problems with the law with these new changes, but it was good to know where people really stand.
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rts551
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I still hear the echos of DavidK and Billm "drill baby Drill" I am sure when its over I will hear the same echos of "keep the Mexican's out"
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Cypress
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rts551, What you hear are reruns of Democrat talking points.
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mtgoat666
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This law says show us your papers. In response, we’ll show the State of Arizona the Constitution
a couple letters from the NYT sums up the issue, and why cosmetic changes to law have not fixed a bad law....
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To the Editor:
While it is true that federal law requires noncitizens to carry immigration documents, this is almost never enforced or prosecuted. What’s more, it’s
a far different story to permit federal officials to punish a noncitizen for failure to carry immigration documents and for state and local officials
to do the same. Immigration regulation is a federal function.
I find it disingenuous to cite a hypothetical of 12 nervous, shifty-eyed passengers crammed into a minivan being stopped by the police for speeding as
being the typical case in which the Arizona police will inquire into a person’s immigration status.
What about the case of two young males wearing sombreros speaking in Spanish in front of a convenience store, or three poorly dressed Spanish-speaking
women sitting together at a cafe? Are we really to believe that Arizona’s police officers are not going to make inquiries in those situations?
This law isn’t good immigration enforcement; it’s an invitation to flagrant abuse of the civil rights of anyone caught in its web, including American
citizens, permanent residents and applicants for asylum or another lawful status.
Theodore Ruthizer
New York, April 29, 2010
The writer, a lawyer who works on business immigration matters and a lecturer at Columbia Law School, is a former president of the American
Immigration Lawyers Association.
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To the Editor:
The reason the American Civil Liberties Union is calling the Arizona law unconstitutional is that it’s true. It’s also discriminatory, unfair and
un-American.
It is hard to imagine how this law can be enforced without racial profiling, and claims to the contrary are disingenuous. On what other basis would a
police officer suspect that someone is not lawfully present in the United States?
Hollow language inserted in the bill supposedly to prevent such profiling is cosmetic. It won’t prevent the police from asking people for their papers
based on race and the way they look.
Racial profiling is already rampant in Arizona, and this law will make it worse. We have seen the effects of the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office’s
targeting of Latinos, including American citizens and lawful permanent residents, in its mass sweeps and enforcement operations. The A.C.L.U. has sued
that office, and the United States Justice Department has started a civil rights investigation into its practices.
This extreme law puts Arizona completely out of step with American values of fairness and equality. The A.C.L.U. will vigorously challenge this law in
the courtroom and elsewhere to make sure that it doesn’t take effect.
This law says show us your papers. In response, we’ll show the State of Arizona the Constitution.
Anthony D. Romero
Executive Director, A.C.L.U.
New York, April 29, 2010
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rts551
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Oh yes I forgot Cypress.... going to Lousiana soon are ou
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
rts551, What you hear are reruns of Democrat talking points.
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Gypsy Jan
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Adding to the Mix
Today, a Mexican friend told me that his brother is a wealthy Mexican American living in Arizona and, "He can't wait to get stopped because he is
going to sue, sue, sue."
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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irenemm
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Well you know he has the American Spirit. Sue sue. that is why we are like we are.
Good he has money to spend. that helps the economy.
I gald my kids are American Mexican
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Packoderm
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
Today, a Mexican friend told me that his brother is a wealthy Mexican American living in Arizona and, "He can't wait to get stopped because he is
going to sue, sue, sue." |
I really don't think they'll be stopping any wealthy people. I'd look for day workers in front of Home Depot. Vocation profiling is different from
racial profiling. If official data states that landscape company employees are more likely to be illegal immigrants than accountants, then it makes
sense to check more landscapers than accountants. But the revised law doesn't even allow that. Those against the new AZ law will insist that it will
need to be as toothless as federal enforcement has been. They want limitless immigration. That's fine. They can propose and get a law passed that
allows limitless immigration. If any Mexican nationals are here legally, they can join in the political action because foreigners are not barred from
doing that in this country. They might have a tougher time bringing in politically active Guatemalans though because the Mexican Govt. is pretty harsh
on those who cross their southern border en route to the U.S. or to Mexico looking for jobs.
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Cypress
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rts551, No, and I'm sure that there are millions of people along the gulf coast from Texas to Florida that appreciate your thoughts. Oh yes, and I
won't forget.
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rts551
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Not to scared of your internet threat, Cypress/ And Yes I'll bet those millions wish you had not been yellin for the drillin
I sympathize with them. and you what do you do
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rts551, No, and I'm sure that there are millions of people along the gulf coast from Texas to Florida that appreciate your thoughts. Oh yes, and I
won't forget. |
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mtgoat666
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rts551, Cypress:
y'all need to smoke some dope and mellow out. your schoolyard bragadacio is unbecoming of an arizona redneck and a north idaho cracker.
feel the love!
yes we can!
hope!
pax!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
I still hear the echos of DavidK and Billm "drill baby Drill" I am sure when its over I will hear the same echos of "keep the Mexican's out"
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Sorry, wrong again... at least for your blanket inclusion of me... This law has NOTHING to do with "Mexicans", the law applies to Canadians and
Albanians as well. Illegally in the country is what it is about, so plain and simple. I love Mexican people, but I have no time for those who cannot
respect our borders.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
This law has NOTHING to do with "Mexicans", the law applies to Canadians and Albanians as well. Illegally in the country is what it is about, so plain
and simple. I love Mexican people, but I have no time for those who cannot respect our borders. |
DK:
No one believes you when you say the law does not have roots in bigotry. The fact is that most minorities believe that the Arizona law and similar
laws are rooted in bigotry, and it is obvious in Arizona that the most vocal proponents of the law (esp. the laws author) are bigots. The same thing
goes for "birthers." The GOP and the Tea Partiers are committing political suicide. Latino-bashing will be political suicide in a century when
Hispanic Americans are well on their way to becoming the largest minority in the country and are already the swing voters in many states.
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David K
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Again, you miss the facts because you are blinded by the lies... Laws are on paper and are the rules of the land.
The law says NOTHING about "Mexicans" or targeting anybody for that matter. It is about carrying out the law to those who broke it.
Why is this beyond your ability to understand? Why do you want law breakers to walk freely or worse, why do you want to reward those who break the law
with benefits that even citizens don't get? Arizona has had enough, and they are doing what the federal government has failed to do... Soon other
states will also follow Arizona's move. They may word the bill in 3rd grade terminology so you on the left might understand it, however! 
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When did profiling become an evil word?
Racial profiling is alive and well at US airports and those flying out of the airports are happy for it. If a person (profiled as male, Middle
Eastern in appearance, etc.) fits the criteria of ''suspect,'' they will be questioned, asked for ID, and generally scrutinized. If I were flying
out of airports where this were taking place, I'd be happy.
I'm reading a lot of comments about how unfair profiling is but I don't read any comments about how the feds have failed to prevent undocumented
people crossing US borders illegally. If the solution is somewhere in the middle, and many agree that racism is not a good thing, let's hear how
to fix the problem.
Bad legislation doesn't work and will eventually go away. To do nothing, or worse, to continue with failed policies is equally bad.
Looks to me like Arizona wants to stop the problem of illegal immigration. Not everyone in that state is racist.
If those crossing into Arizona feel the heat, that's a good thing. WHen they start funneling into California because of it, California will need
to address the problem. What's California doing?
Arnold was on a talk show recently saying California wasn't going to do what Arizona was doing -- but I didn't hear him talking about solutions.
Anyone have a better solution to airport security and fairness? Ignore those fitting the ''profile?'' I hope not.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Diana and the Goat (and others) are really going to love this one-----
------our Navy is plotting against us for sure, for sure!!! Spending money to "change" this building is insane IMO!!!!
http://www.10news.com/news/23284992/detail.html |
If reshaped as a mirror image, like the Navaho tribal sybal, the Apaches would complain
Bob Durrell
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Those are good points, Lee. Makes me wonder....when the activists are done sniveling about profiling in Phoenix, will we have to hear their wailing
about profiling at the border? They won't stop until everything is their way.
I am so sick and tired of listening to them and their self-rightous crap.
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