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oldlady
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Oh really, rts??? I did not know that. Fannie and Freddie are probably the two biggest culprits in the mortgage business failure, and the main
cause of the failure of the financial system indirectly, tho there are many causes, I will grant you. So, David has it essentially right from what I
understand, and as far as he took it.
Isn't it interesting that the Dems suggested "cure" within the Financial Reform Bill ignores Fannie and Freddie? Wow, how strange!! 
(we have now entered the OFF TOPIC forum, FOR SURE!!!)
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They're a little confused. Two months before Fannie and Freddie financially disintegrated Barney Fwank said everything was just fine and was
indignant that there was any question about their solvency.
So,sime of the best jaw dropping remarks of this past week had to be the Democratic congressman who asked Goldman Sachs how they could sell such crap
when "EVERYBODY KNEW" in 2007" that the mortgage market was underwater. Well, Mr. Congressman, Barney didn't and his finger was supposed to be
closer to the pulse than Moody. Goldman didn't say that, no huevos. Sure would have added to the farce if they had. But since Congress did know in
2007, would have been less of a mess if they had done something.
Haven't read much about all those bonuses to F&F executives either.
Dave's right about the Clinton administration, his HUD Secretary, Cisneros ,was spokesperson for the easier path to the American Dream. Policy
changes and speeches. One given at Harvard was a real beaut. Took "chicken in every pot" to a whole new level...and "redlining" the gift that still
keeps on giving.
Plenty of blame to go around, and still is to this day. Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Goldman. But I'll start to rethink my view on "Social
Justice" when we apply the concept to criminal justice .
[Edited on 5-2-2010 by oldlady]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Mexico keeps the border crossing almost pain free for the U.S. BECAUSE we are a BIG source of income to Mexico... or used to be, anyway.
While there are many good, legal Mexicans that benefit the United States businesses... there are maybe 20 million illegals that are a drain on our
society, medical services, etc. and take jobs from Americans.
Mexico doesn't allow Americans to work in Mexico, unless you have a sponsor and can prove that you have skills not available at that location. Mexico
puts Mexicans first (good for them)! The counrty has an obligation to its citizens... too bad America doesn't do what Mexico does in that respect!
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Your killing yourself, i no longer have any respect for you, and i am not the only Mexican in this board that thinks the same.
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Mexicorn
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Mexico keeps the border crossing almost pain free for the U.S. BECAUSE we are a BIG source of income to Mexico... or used to be, anyway.
While there are many good, legal Mexicans that benefit the United States businesses... there are maybe 20 million illegals that are a drain on our
society, medical services, etc. and take jobs from Americans.
Mexico doesn't allow Americans to work in Mexico, unless you have a sponsor and can prove that you have skills not available at that location. Mexico
puts Mexicans first (good for them)! The counrty has an obligation to its citizens... too bad America doesn't do what Mexico does in that respect!
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Your killing yourself, i no longer have any respect for you, and i am not the only Mexican in this board that thinks the same.
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I'm with Jess. I've lost total respect for your opinions. I hope we can continue to be Nomads friends-
Please review:
http://mexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/arizona-N-zi-sig...
Copied from word press .com
[Edited on 5-2-2010 by Mexicorn]
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David K
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Interesting... liberals can post all their outrageous, anti-American opinions here on Nomad, and when conservatives offer any return of same, we get
'hate' back.
Is there a problem with wanting LEGAL Mexican visitors in the U.S. but not those that come here illegally and stay to use our social services???
How tolerant is Mexico to any Americans who commit illegal activities there?
Just how long could a group of shouting Americans march down a street in La Paz with big American flags last??? That happens up here... or doesn't
your news show you the liberties Mexicans have in America?
Jesse, why do you let politics get in the way of friendships... pretty sad amigo?
Liberals are supposed to be 'open minded'... LOL. Just the opposite, they do whatever they can to put down and shut up any opposition.
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Yea, liberals are masters of the "cheap shot", and cry fowl when you call 'em on it. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Interesting... liberals can post all their outrageous, anti-American opinions here on Nomad, and when conservatives offer any return of same, we get
'hate' back.
Is there a problem with wanting LEGAL Mexican visitors in the U.S. but not those that come here illegally and stay to use our social services???
How tolerant is Mexico to any Americans who commit illegal activities there?
Just how long could a group of shouting Americans march down a street in La Paz with big American flags last??? That happens up here... or doesn't
your news show you the liberties Mexicans have in America?
Jesse, why do you let politics get in the way of friendships... pretty sad amigo?
Liberals are supposed to be 'open minded'... LOL. Just the opposite, they do whatever they can to put down and shut up any opposition.
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David K, you are the one spewing anti American Opinions. Since when was Racism an American Value?
You and others speak of how Mexicans come to the United States to take advantage of Servics drop baby's like rabbits and steal good anglo American
Jobs. Yes my friend YOU ARE THE ONE THATS SPEWING ANTI AMERICAN SENTEMENTS.
For a law enforcement Officer being given the authoriy to stop and detain an individual based on thier skin color is wrong. And it's not my liberal
burro that is of this single opinion. So why dont you rethink your Rodger hedgec-ck (Crook) and Rush Limbaugh (Presciption medication Junkie) talking
points and come and see me some time Mr. Ultra Platinum Nomad Conservatitive.
Maybe you should strap on your ol' six shooter and jump in your SUV and join the other racisists sucking on a 12 pack of Coors patroling the Arizona
desert rounding up those that are trying to make a better life for themselves and thier families.
What a proud hero you will be to future generations of Americans and your race if you do that!
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
While there are many good, legal Mexicans that benefit the United States businesses... there are maybe 20 million illegals that are a drain on our
society, medical services, etc. and take jobs from Americans.
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dk:
Given that there are only 12M to 20M undocumented immigrants in the US (consensus estimate is 12M), you just said that all of the undocumented
mexicans are "a drain on our society..."
Have I said this before? You are an *ss
[Edited on 5-2-2010 by mtgoat666]
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Mexicorn
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
While there are many good, legal Mexicans that benefit the United States businesses... there are maybe 20 million illegals that are a drain on our
society, medical services, etc. and take jobs from Americans.
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dk:
Given that there are only 12M to 20M undocumented immigrants in the US (consensus estimate is 12M), you just said that all of the undocumented
mexicans are "a drain to our society..."
Have I said this before? You are an *ss |
I was just wondering these 20 mil do they pay taxes?
If so how do they file a tax return?
Where does all that money go?
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexicorn
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
While there are many good, legal Mexicans that benefit the United States businesses... there are maybe 20 million illegals that are a drain on our
society, medical services, etc. and take jobs from Americans.
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dk:
Given that there are only 12M to 20M undocumented immigrants in the US (consensus estimate is 12M), you just said that all of the undocumented
mexicans are "a drain to our society..."
Have I said this before? You are an *ss |
I was just wondering these 20 mil do they pay taxes?
If so how do they file a tax return?
Where does all that money go? |
Those 20M pay taxes, rarely take advantage of social services (most are too scared of getting caught doing so), and work hard for low wages so gringos
can enjoy high standard of living.
I think the "illegals" probably contribute so much to society that their expense on society is a wash.
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Mexicorn
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexicorn
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
While there are many good, legal Mexicans that benefit the United States businesses... there are maybe 20 million illegals that are a drain on our
society, medical services, etc. and take jobs from Americans.
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dk:
Given that there are only 12M to 20M undocumented immigrants in the US (consensus estimate is 12M), you just said that all of the undocumented
mexicans are "a drain to our society..."
Have I said this before? You are an *ss |
I was just wondering these 20 mil do they pay taxes?
If so how do they file a tax return?
Where does all that money go? |
Those 20M pay taxes, rarely take advantage of social services (most are too scared of getting caught doing so), and work hard for low wages so gringos
can enjoy high standard of living.
I think the "illegals" probably contribute so much to society that their expense on society is a wash. |
Well Geez Goat after reading everything captain mike and David K have been writing I just had been convinced that the ER waiting rooms across the USA
were just jammed packed with Mexicans who had freshly snuck across the border waiting ten deep to have anchor babies. Furthermore, let us not forget
those running in for servcies due to a case of the sniffiles.
It's gotta be true they heard it on Rick Roberts in the morning!
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Barney Fwank
thx, that was phunnie....almost made it worth while re visiting this sorry a$$ thread...
Dwain the tub...i'm dwowning....
- Barney Fwank....a man who prefers...well, everyone has their preferences...
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Interesting... liberals can post all their outrageous, anti-American opinions here on Nomad, and when conservatives offer any return of same, we get
'hate' back.
Is there a problem with wanting LEGAL Mexican visitors in the U.S. but not those that come here illegally and stay to use our social services???
How tolerant is Mexico to any Americans who commit illegal activities there?
Just how long could a group of shouting Americans march down a street in La Paz with big American flags last??? That happens up here... or doesn't
your news show you the liberties Mexicans have in America?
Jesse, why do you let politics get in the way of friendships... pretty sad amigo?
Liberals are supposed to be 'open minded'... LOL. Just the opposite, they do whatever they can to put down and shut up any opposition.
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1.-I am not a liberal.
2.-For years i have ignored very insulting things said about Mexico or Mexicans by some people on this board, your claim that only "liberals" post
outrageous things here is a lie.
3.-As far as i know, no Mexican has ever posted antiamerican opinions here. It wouldn't be proper to do that in a board where americans make up 90+
percent of the members. But on the contrary, theres a well known community of Mexico and Mexicans bashers here. I don't like it, its not supposed to
happen in a Baja board, but i accept it as a right of everyone.
4.-LISTEN!!!! NOBODY IS AGAINST THE US ENFORCING ITS LAWS!!! I have said it over and over again. I am one of a very small number of Mexicans that
believes the borders should be closed, and that the Mexican goverment should be held accountable. You can create any law that you want AS LONG AS IT
TARGETS ONLY ILLEGALS, and not law abiding people. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU KEEP REPEATING something that i have already explained many times.
5.-As far as illegals using your social services, then DON'T HIRE THEM when your economy is good so you don't start crying when its bad. You can't
have it both ways, either never accept them or accepted for good. But don't be a hypocrite and love them when its good, only to hate them when its
bad.
6.-I don't support or like Mexicans marching in the US with Mexican flags, i think that's plain wrong. If you don't like it, do what ever you have t
do to stop it, i am for it.
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Check Your Numbers
"The illegal immigrant population of the United States in 2008 was estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies to be about 11 million people,
down from 12.5 million people in 2007.[2] According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, in 2005, 57% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico; 24% were
from other Latin American countries, primarily from Central America;[3] 9% were from Asia; 6% were from Europe; and 4% were from the rest of the
world."
It is a safe bet that the current numbers are even lower owing to the increased border security and mostly to the economy. In any event, just using
the 2008 number, Mexican illegals amount to 6.27 million. People throw around numbers like 20 million just to inflame.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
6.-I don't support or like Mexicans marching in the US with Mexican flags, i think that's plain wrong. If you don't like it, do what ever you have t
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jesse,
no problem in US for people to march with their ethnic flags. every immigrant does it, irish, english, rusian, swiss, french, mexican, etc.
you will find irish americans in US that will make stupid comments about how bad it is for mexican americans to march with mexican flags, then turn
around and themselves march in st pats day parade with irish flags.
i say all immigrants to US should beat their chest and shout out their ethnic pride! (except for the N-zi Germans like Capt Cracker and DK :lol
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
6.-I don't support or like Mexicans marching in the US with Mexican flags, i think that's plain wrong. If you don't like it, do what ever you have t
do to stop it, i am for it. |
jesse,
no problem in US for people to march with their ethnic flags. every immigrant does it, irish, english, rusian, swiss, french, mexican, etc.
you will find irish americans in US that will make stupid comments about how bad it is for mexican americans to march with mexican flags, then turn
around and themselves march in st pats day parade with irish flags.
i say all immigrants to US should beat their chest and shout out their ethnic pride! (except for the N-zi Germans like Capt Cracker and DK :lol
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Dont make me revert to my Hogans heros Greman!
Sergeant Schultz taught me about every word I know.
Ya Voll! LOL your killing me
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Interesting... liberals can post all their outrageous, anti-American opinions here on Nomad, and when conservatives offer any return of same, we get
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THIS STATEMENT is the classic case of PROJECTION!
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Where is the administration on their duty to the safety and welfair of the people of Arizona...? Why on the side of the criminals and law breakers, of
course! Shame, shame, shame... |
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We see liberals today as being power hungry, and only interested in gaining votes of special interest groups by promissing things to them at the
expense of hurting others... Like taking the side of the law breakers over the citizens here. |
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They may word the bill in 3rd grade terminology so you on the left might understand it, however! |
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He won't be happy until we all address each other as "comrade"! |
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Oh, I do work (and pay taxes)... just a whole lot less since the Democrats took control of congress! |
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Thanks Harry Reed and Nancy Palosi... a couple of #@!%* |
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there are maybe 20 million illegals that are a drain on our society, medical services, etc. and take jobs from Americans. |
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Tax rate reductions come from Republicans who empower the people... Tax hikes come friom Democrats who empower the government. |
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Liberals are supposed to be 'open minded'... LOL. Just the opposite, they do whatever they can to put down and shut up any
opposition. |
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Jesse-
Honest question here.....How do Mexicans (based on your knowledge) feel about illegal immigration into Mexico? From what I've read and seen on news
shows, there are many human rights violations. Is there any truth to this? If so, is there any sort of protest from the people?
I only ask because from my position there seems to be a great deal of hypocrisy coming out of Mexico. Again, I said appears to be as I do not know
the facts...only what I hear and read in the news...and we all know that does not mean much.
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Oxxo
You did so good, but the tax deduction quotes should have been together.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
4.-LISTEN!!!! NOBODY IS AGAINST THE US ENFORCING ITS LAWS!!! |
I believe that applys to you, Jesse, but outside of that, you couldn't be more wrong.
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DENNIS, You're dealing with some hard core lberals. Gives a bad taste to the mouth. Can spit 'em out when you get a chance.
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