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David K
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Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  | WHOA! Boy where did this drift come from after my commentary on evolutionary process of the planet Earth?
It's my contention that man is just another evolutionary process being "controlled" by the Earth's long history and it's uncontrollable processes.
Mankind MAY have some influence on the earth's processes but in the end the earth will win and do what ever it wants to do and that will be a long
long time after any of our relatives are gone.
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Mother Nature ALWAYS Bats Last!
It's good to try and be clean and green, but unless the other 7 billion people do, to pressure, shame, blame, guilt the 320 million (1/3 of 1 billion)
Americans is quite hypocritical or at least unfair and unrealistic.
In the end, no matter how clean and green we become, the climate is STILL going to change when ever it wants to.
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Age brings experience, not necessarily wisdom.
Glad you cranked in most cases Wiley.
What we do with that experience is the critical factor, at any age.
And if wisdom comes from it we can only hope that wisdom is used properly.
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wessongroup
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Certainly would not disagree with that Cisco
Prudent judgement based on "experience" and "wisdom" is a better bet than most others ... IMHO
And of course weather changes ... and that is the concern at this time ... the CHANGE being observed through scientific measurements
Which would fall under the category of "information" based on data aquired through scientific investigation ... Not from personal opinion ... which
makes this discussion difficult
Perception vs Reality is always a tough one ... there are examples 
How about MTBE ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTBE_controversy
And btw ... their "numbers" on clean up, are way off ...
think San Gabriel and San Fernando Super Fund Sites ... they are still pumping 
Say, could one call that "man's" impact on the environment .. in a negative manner ...
Check what they find in YOUR water through sampling ... that information is readily available for the entire United States ... you might be surprised
... or maybe not ...
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy | WHOA! Boy where did this drift come from after my commentary on evolutionary process of the planet Earth?
It's my contention that man is just another evolutionary process being "controlled" by the Earth's long history and it's uncontrollable processes.
Mankind MAY have some influence on the earth's processes but in the end the earth will win and do what ever it wants to do and that will be a long
long time after any of our relatives are gone.
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No matter how clean and green we become, the climate is STILL going to change when ever it wants to. |
Yep David, Solid observation. 
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Quote of the day
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Mother Nature ALWAYS Bats Last!
It's good to try and be clean and green, but unless the other 7 billion people do, to pressure, shame, blame, guilt the 320 million (1/3 of 1 billion)
Americans is quite hypocritical or at least unfair and unrealistic.
In the end, no matter how clean and green we become, the climate is STILL going to change when ever it wants to. |
here is another
“With age comes wisdom, but sometimes age comes alone.” Oscar Wiide
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bajacamper
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Maybe someone will come along and hijack this thread...Ya think?
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Cisco
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http://www.alternet.org/environment/how-defeat-science-denie...
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bajacamper
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O well, probably not.
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wessongroup
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There is an aspect which hasn't been covered yet ...
The effects of Global Warming on the "poles"
Think the Arctic has been the receiver of:
The Thing, The Blob and Spaceships from Krypton ...
This is getting really serious ....
Sure wish we had 2012, as it related to the Maya prediction of the end of the world, to chew on .... again
still like the first one best .... (The Thing) ... Matt Dillion getting electrocuted ...
Certainly proved effective in working his way up in the industry
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I was in Chechin Itzen (sp) in 2012 and the fellow told me that if I bought a tee shirt from him, I would be saved from the coming end of the world.
Thank goodness I listened. I'm still here and occasionally wear that crumby tee shirt.
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Skipjack Joe
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Do you yourself have anything to contribute?
Oh, I see. 7 posts so far.
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I guess it is how your paradigm of value is defined.
I disagree.
Maybe when life spans were much shorter but now it is hard to refute decades of experience having less value than a few short years.
But, that is just my opinion and my response has nothing to do with global warming.
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wessongroup
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"Value" typically is subjective ... excluding the Physical and Natural Science's
I for one, wouldn't mind seeing someone like Albert, or say Will Rogers, et al .. stick around a while longer
For sure Will Rogers ... or Mark Twain
And since one can't develop a means to accurately measure "value" to the planet ... of an "individual" .. all bets are off
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There are several thesis now included in this thread that don't deal with human caused climate change. All done very well for the most part.
The simplest fact remains that the HUMAN population load on the planet as it currently exists combined with the means and methods that the population
uses to manipulate it's individual environments (vehicles, heating/cooling, agricultural water use) is causing an unprecedented impact globally. The
impact can be measured, quantified and qualified. Individually, we have the choice to contribute to a solution or to ignore and deny the reality.
Nobody argues that natural circumstances occur that also have a huge impact on that environment, volcanoes and other geologic events can cause similar
changes to occur. However, the history of the planet has never included over 7 billion humans as the additional burden.
I choose to act responsibly when approaching the issue, DK and many others don't. They find their own rationalizations to continue in their ignorance.
Two brothers who are part of the richest 10 humans, the Koch brothers, actively campaign against science and they have a huge influence because of
their money. I don't support them or their Tea Party agenda as another personal choice.
Finally, I do think that if enough of us join together to recognize the problems we face collectively, we can have a positive impact on the issue:
Human caused climate change.
Or, we can be those bacteria that overwhelm the resources of their limited agar plate and crash their population by not implementing longer term
solutions. Sustainability is really the solution that we need to work towards as well as not allowing ignorance to rule our policies and actions.
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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bajacamper
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I harken back to the Baja Amigo days where you got information and help if needed regarding all things Baja. Do not try that "Shut up newbie" crap on
me. My only point regarding this thread is, enough already. Please.
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Skipjack Joe
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A shut up for a shut up. What did you expect.
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bajacamper
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I surrender..........for the time being.
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Ken,
My position very well-said. 
Our human contribution to the planet cannot be ignored or not considered as relevant...
| Quote: Originally posted by Sweetwater | There are several thesis now included in this thread that don't deal with human caused climate change. All done very well for the most part.
The simplest fact remains that the HUMAN population load on the planet as it currently exists combined with the means and methods that the population
uses to manipulate it's individual environments (vehicles, heating/cooling, agricultural water use) is causing an unprecedented impact globally. The
impact can be measured, quantified and qualified. Individually, we have the choice to contribute to a solution or to ignore and deny the reality.
Nobody argues that natural circumstances occur that also have a huge impact on that environment, volcanoes and other geologic events can cause similar
changes to occur. However, the history of the planet has never included over 7 billion humans as the additional burden.
I choose to act responsibly when approaching the issue, DK and many others don't. They find their own rationalizations to continue in their ignorance.
Two brothers who are part of the richest 10 humans, the Koch brothers, actively campaign against science and they have a huge influence because of
their money. I don't support them or their Tea Party agenda as another personal choice.
Finally, I do think that if enough of us join together to recognize the problems we face collectively, we can have a positive impact on the issue:
Human caused climate change.
Or, we can be those bacteria that overwhelm the resources of their limited agar plate and crash their population by not implementing longer term
solutions. Sustainability is really the solution that we need to work towards as well as not allowing ignorance to rule our policies and actions.
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Don't believe everything you think....
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: Originally posted by Sweetwater |
Or, we can be those bacteria that overwhelm the resources of their limited agar plate and crash their population by not implementing longer term
solutions. Sustainability is really the solution that we need to work towards as well as not allowing ignorance to rule our policies and actions.
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Pretty much what I said as well. Primitive animals crash and start over in the same way, only to eventually crash again. We don't crash because when
we start over we do it differently than what failed. One generation learns from it's previous one. Just a theory.
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wessongroup
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Great synopsis Sweetwater ... Dittos
and it would appear "The Blob" ... is showing up, just not in the Arctic as expected
"Weird US weather: Blame the big warm blob in the Pacific"
http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2015/0411/Weird-US-weather-...
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