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rts551
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David, the Constitution of the USA has been interpreted since day one. and the Supreme Court does more than rule on the constitutionality of things.
Did you ever think of night school?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Ralph: The constitution is in Englih and needs no interpretation... but because some try to read more into it, we have the Supreme Court.
desertcpl: What does any political party have to do with this? Either you are a conservative and believe in defending the constitution or a liberal
and believe in changing the constitution... and there are liberal Republicans and there are conservative (or Reagan) Democrats...
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I was woried their fur a wile. that it mite be in English. |
Thanks Ralph, I didn't proof my post and missed the TYPO... It has been fixed for your friends who may use me as a spelling guide for English (but
shouldn't!)...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by desertcpl
so tell me what part of the Constitution did Obama change |
Oh, he doesn't change it... he avoids it and does what the hell he wants... that is why he must be defeated... other dictators slowly grabbed more
power than they were supposed to have, the same way... Check German history of the 1930s.  |
I cant believe you, your saying that Obama is a dictator? and you equate him with Hitler,
but DK I was under the impression( the last time I looked) that we was a Democracy and our Constitution was well and good
I know lets get Bush back in office, he will fix every thing for us like he did before.
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One thing all of us Nomads can agree on is "Death & Taxes" LOL!! Again, I will say that immigration is easy to get under control. We need to be
making people trying to get into the USA follow whatever their Country's immigration laws are to our citizens. If those trying to get in don't like
it, then they need to get their immigration laws changed first before trying to come here!!
I like FAIR but when it comes to citizens from the USA, it is never FAIR NOR EQUAL as others hold our citizens to different laws than for their own
citizens coming to the USA. Just give USA citizens an equal footing on immigrating to other countries like property rights, voting rights, all laws
available to all when in that Country, etc, etc. Take Care&Travel Safe-----"No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777
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Can't do that... Bush used the Supreme Court to get elected and David doesn't see the need for a Supreme Court.
| Quote: | Originally posted by desertcpl
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
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so tell me what part of the Constitution did Obama change |
Oh, he doesn't change it... he avoids it and does what the hell he wants... that is why he must be defeated... other dictators slowly grabbed more
power than they were supposed to have, the same way... Check German history of the 1930s. |
I cant believe you, your saying that Obama is a dictator? and you equate him with Hitler,
but DK I was under the impression( the last time I looked) that we was a Democracy and our Constitution was well and good
I know lets get Bush back in office, he will fix every thing for us like he did before. |
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MitchMan and Iflyfish, Both of you have written lengthy posts filled with "facts" and for some reason you seem to be obsessed with Rush Limbaugh. Ever
heard the saying “Living rent-free in your head”? Do you really think your posts are going to change anybody or anything? |
If you don’t believe that our posts are filled with facts, then why haven’t you proven that? If we got the facts wrong, then why haven’t you provided
citations that directly prove that our facts weren’t facts?
You know, proving our facts wrong will do two things in your favor: 1) discredit our contentions, 2) prove your contentions. There are only 3
possible reasons you haven’t done so: 1)our facts are indeed factual which totally discredit your contentions 2) you don’t have the knowledge to
disprove 3)you are too incredibly lazy to disprove and make your case.
Which is it, Cypress?
We are not obsessed with Rush Limbaugh, you are. We just refer to him because he is an easy classic example of the right wing dregs.
Our liberal posts will not change any right wing non-deliberative, non-objective, uneducable, incurious Nomads. However, our sharing of well written,
fact supported contentions and rebuttals will further advance our liberal solidarity and strengthen our positions and hopefully influence the more
deliberative Nomads.
Furthermore, I am sick and tired of seeing the right wing crap go unchallenged.
[Edited on 11-4-2011 by MitchMan]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by desertcpl
so tell me what part of the Constitution did Obama change |
Oh, he doesn't change it... he avoids it and
does what the hell he wants... that is why he must be defeated... other dictators slowly grabbed more power than they were supposed to have, the same
way... Check German history of the 1930s. |
crikey! you are full of nonsense!
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This article by Marybeth Hicks sums it up for me, too. It's a shame as I do sympathize with the protestors frustrations, but things are badly going
astray.
By the way, I almost never listen to the talk radio guys and gals, but somehow I often come to the same conclusions they do, I have heard. When I do
tune in, they say the same things I am thinking, so why bother to listen to them?
Barry
Some belated parental advice to protesters-----
By Marybeth Hicks
Call it an occupational hazard, but I can't look at the Occupy Wall Street protesters without thinking, "Who parented these people?"
As a culture columnist, I've commented on the social and political ramifications of the "movement" -- now known as "OWS" -- whose fairyland agenda can
be summarized by one of their placards: "Everything for everybody."
Thanks to their pipe-dream platform, it's clear there are people with serious designs on "transformational" change in America who are using the
protesters like bedsprings in a brothel.
Yet it's not my role as a commentator that prompts my parenting question, but rather the fact that I'm the mother of four teens and young adults.
There are some crucial life lessons that the protesters' moms clearly have not passed along.
Here, then, are five things the OWS protesters' mothers should have taught their children but obviously didn't, so I will:
. Life isn't fair. The concept of justice - that everyone should be treated fairly - is a worthy and worthwhile moral imperative on which our nation
was founded. But justice and economic equality are not the same. Or, as Mick Jagger said, "You can't always get what you want."
No matter how you try to "level the playing field," some people have better luck, skills, talents or connections that land them in better places. Some
seem to have all the advantages in life but squander them, others play the modest hand they're dealt and make up the difference in hard work and
perseverance, and some find jobs on Wall Street and eventually buy houses in the Hamptons. Is it fair? Stupid question.
. Nothing is "free." Protesting with signs that seek "free" college degrees and "free" health care make you look like idiots, because colleges and
hospitals don't operate on rainbows and sunshine. There is no magic money machine to tap for your meandering educational careers and "slow paths" to
adulthood, and the 53 percent of taxpaying Americans owe you neither a degree nor an annual physical.
While I'm pointing out this obvious fact, here are a few other things that are not free: overtime for police officers and municipal workers, trash
hauling, repairs to fixtures and property, condoms, Band-Aids and the food that inexplicably appears on the tables in your makeshift protest kitchens.
Real people with real dollars are underwriting your civic temper tantrum.
. Your word is your bond. When you demonstrate to eliminate student loan debt, you are advocating precisely the lack of integrity you decry in others.
Loans are made based on solemn promises to repay them. No one forces you to borrow money; you are free to choose educational pursuits that don't
require loans, or to seek technical or vocational training that allows you to support yourself and your ongoing educational goals. Also, for the
record, being a college student is not a state of victimization. It's a privilege that billions of young people around the globe would die for ---
literally.
. A protest is not a party. On Saturday in New York, while making a mad dash from my cab to the door of my hotel to avoid you, I saw what isn't
evident in the newsreel footage of your demonstrations: Most of you are doing this only for attention and fun. Serious people in a sober pursuit of
social and political change don't dance jigs down Sixth Avenue like attendees of a Renaissance festival. You look foolish, you smell gross, you are
clearly high and you don't seem to realize that all around you are people who deem you irrelevant.
. There are reasons you haven't found jobs. The truth? Your tattooed necks, gauged ears, facial piercings and dirty dreadlocks are off-putting.
Nonconformity for the sake of nonconformity isn't a virtue.. Occupy reality: Only 4 percent of college graduates are out of work. If you are among
that 4 percent, find a mirror and face the problem. It's not them. It's you.
Marybeth Hicks, a wife of more than 20 years and mother of four children, lives in the Midwest. She uses her column to share her perspective on issues
and experiences that shape families nationwide.
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Cypress
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MitchMan, Get a grip. Take a couple of deep breaths. Everything is gonna be OK. All you have to do is? You tell me?
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
| Quote: | Cypress
MitchMan and Iflyfish, Both of you have written lengthy posts filled with "facts" and for some reason you seem to be obsessed with Rush Limbaugh. Ever
heard the saying “Living rent-free in your head”? Do you really think your posts are going to change anybody or anything? |
If you don’t believe that our posts are filled with facts, then why haven’t you proven that? If we got the facts wrong, then why haven’t you provided
citations that directly prove that our facts weren’t facts?
You know, proving our facts wrong will do two things in your favor: 1) discredit our contentions, 2) prove your contentions. There are only 3
possible reasons you haven’t done so: 1)our facts are indeed factual which totally discredit your contentions 2) you don’t have the knowledge to
disprove 3)you are too incredibly lazy to disprove and make your case.
Which is it, Cypress?
We are not obsessed with Rush Limbaugh, you are. We just refer to him because he is an easy classic example of the right wing dregs.
Our liberal posts will not change any right wing non-deliberative, non-objective, uneducable, incurious Nomads. However, our sharing of well written,
fact supported contentions and rebuttals will further advance our liberal solidarity and strengthen our positions and hopefully influence the more
deliberative Nomads.
Furthermore, I am sick and tired of seeing the right wing crap go unchallenged.
[Edited on 11-4-2011 by MitchMan] |
mitch,
cypress is from n idaho. need i say more?
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MitchMan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
MitchMan, Get a grip. Take a couple of deep breaths. Everything is gonna be OK. All you have to do is? You tell me? |
What a lazy response.
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We don't expect to get more than 2 weeks off a year until we have been at the job for a few years.. and then if we are off more than a month a year,
we get itchy to get back to work... |
So, David K, when you were looking for a job, if you were to have
gotten two equivalent job offers except that one offered you 4 weeks of paid vacation instead of 2, you would have taken the job with only 2 weeks of
paid vacation, all else being equal? I’m just curious, you know, with your work ethic and all.
It has been my observation in business that most rational prospective employees would most always opt for more vacation time than less if the annual
pay was the same. In fact, one way an employer sweetens the deal for a salaried executive contract is to offer more paid vacation and personal time,
even flexible hours. How does that square with your concept … David K?
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… former British Prime Minister (Margaret Thatcher) said it best... : The problem with socialism is that one day you run out of other people's money!
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Boy, you guys sure love your slogans. I think this is the second time, at least, that it has been posted
in this context. As I said before, if you guys didn’t have slogans, you’d have no philosophy at all.
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... I am not an anarchist, I believe in government... constitutional government, not the facism of the Obama administration who pits Americans against
Americans with his class warfair… |
Glad to see that you are not an anarchist and that you believe in
constitutional government; that’s a relief.
But… there you go again with the hyperbole and hysterics and drive by accusations of ‘facism’ [sic] and ‘class warfair’ [sic]
without support.
I will tell you this, what I consider class warfare is the right wing’s:
1) dismantling of collective bargaining, especially in but not limited to education, police and fire protection which only serves to reduce the
compensation of the working class
2) action in those certain states that have recently changed the voter ID process to effectively target and exclude 5 million of the poorer voters in
the 2012 presidential election
3) promotion of privatization of the healthcare industry (HMO/PPO) that has resulted in reducing the number of people insured, claim payments, and
treatments covered while increasing premiums to price prohibitive levels that serve to increase profits, owner/CEO and executive compensation, sales
commissions, and administrative costs well beyond levels prior to privatization, all of which that has resulted in 50 million working class Americans
uncovered by health insurance
4) deregulation and privatization of the electricity energy utility industry that has resulted in higher utility costs for consumers
5) near total refusal and resistance to raising the minimum wage
6) deregulation of the financial sector that directly caused the great recession of 2007/8 that has profoundly and disproportionately devastated the
working class financially and economically while resulting in and even higher lopsided concentration of wealth and income at the top while further
reducing real earnings of the working class and increasing unemployment
7) deregulation and intent to defund the government agencies that serve the public interest by undermining the EPA, the various and many Consumer
Protection agencies, Social Security and Medicare, anti trust enforcement and legislation, the FDA, SEC, FTC, WFTC, et al
8) promotion of the punishingly and devastatingly inequitable flat tax that would serve to further the poverty of the working class while providing a
windfall to the top earners
9) deregulation of commodity and oil market exchanges that result in higher commodity and oil prices due to speculation trading
[Edited on 11-4-2011 by MitchMan]
[Edited on 11-4-2011 by MitchMan]
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And life go's on.
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[1) dismantling of collective bargaining, especially in but not limited to education, police and fire protection which only serves to reduce the
compensation of the working class]
I think all government unions should be done away with. The worse thing for the state of CA was allowing collective bargaining by prison guards etc.
and for cities the police and firemen. It will bankrupt the cities and counties if not corrected. I do not think they deserve 100% retirement at age
50+ (3% at 50). I also don't think they should pad their income with OT the last three years to get even more. The percentage should be based on their
regular pay. I also don't think they should accumulate vacation time so when they do retire they get paid for a year of vacation, 30 days max. I don't
care how many bad guys they caught.
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TW, You think? Yep. Me to.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
[1) dismantling of collective bargaining, especially in but not limited to education, police and fire protection which only serves to reduce the
compensation of the working class]
I think all government unions should be done away with. The worse thing for the state of CA was allowing collective bargaining by prison guards etc.
and for cities the police and firemen. It will bankrupt the cities and counties if not corrected. I do not think they deserve 100% retirement at age
50+ (3% at 50). I also don't think they should pad their income with OT the last three years to get even more. The percentage should be based on their
regular pay. I also don't think they should accumulate vacation time so when they do retire they get paid for a year of vacation, 30 days max. I don't
care how many bad guys they caught. |
Just so I understand. At what age should they retire? and what percentage?
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Life is good, and it's getting better.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
[1) dismantling of collective bargaining, especially in but not limited to education, police and fire protection which only serves to reduce the
compensation of the working class]
I think all government unions should be done away with. The worse thing for the state of CA was allowing collective bargaining by prison guards etc.
and for cities the police and firemen. It will bankrupt the cities and counties if not corrected. I do not think they deserve 100% retirement at age
50+ (3% at 50). I also don't think they should pad their income with OT the last three years to get even more. The percentage should be based on their
regular pay. I also don't think they should accumulate vacation time so when they do retire they get paid for a year of vacation, 30 days max. I don't
care how many bad guys they caught. |
i agree. jerry brown is about to fix the situation in CA
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When it's all said and done. Who the "f'' is Jerry AKA dumb as a rock Brown?
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mitch,
cypress is from n idaho. need i say more? |
No
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
When it's all said and done. Who the "f'' is Jerry AKA dumb as a rock Brown? |
he is da man!
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