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ELINVESTIG8R
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My friends, you need to stop stirring the pot now. Rafael has re-granted access to Olivia and Mark which is very important to them. Let it alone now.
Your pot stirring serves no purpose.
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tripledigitken
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This thread has been a stew that has been stirred from day one by many.
Not everyone has decided who's wearing the Black Hat like you have David.
Ken
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ELINVESTIG8R
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
This thread has been a stew that has been stirred from day one by many.
Not everyone has decided who's wearing the Black Hat like you have David.
Ken |
Just to make this perfectly clear. I do not know who is right or wrong in this issue and have not taken sides with either party. I do know that people
here who fan the flame to get a reaction out of one side or the other is nonproductive.
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Cypress
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I'm getting the feeling that this Rafael dude has shot his wad!
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
My firm belief is that Rafael did not change his mind about re-granting passage to Olivia and Mark because he was scared. I am sure he has the
resources to protect himself. I do believe he did so because he is a man of his word and is of good character. |
I guess I missunderstood this statement.
Man of his word and good character means to me that you believe his side of the story and respect him.
I for one don't know who is right on this and until that is clear to most here this thread will have a long life unless Doug pulls the plug. An
action, by the way, I supported very early on.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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I am so happy this place has calmed down. Rafael, Olivia and Mark need a nice rest.
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OLIGUACOMOLE
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The Turtle did Not ahead until he stuck his head out!
FOR THOSE WONDER WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT, HERE IS WHAT WE SAY HAPPENED TO US...
1) For 6 years we have had a man Rafael Munoz Martinez try to claim our property with false documents. Court has been 6 years La Paz. Rafael Munoz
Martinez has made repeated false reports to the Ministero Publico against us.
2) Inspection order is issued specifically for our restaurant on April 8, 2009. Order number is 100.5/OC/03590/09 signed by EL DIRECTOR GENERAL,
OCEAN. PRISCILIANO MELENDREZ BARRIOS from Mazatlan, Sinaloa.
3) April 11, 2009 a man and wife with a baby have breakfast in our restaurant. Returns at 1:00 pm asks for service for 20 people. States he will bring
all the food. Asks to put covered blue pot in our kitchen. Permission was granted and blue pot was put on top of a stove we no longer use. This was
witnessed by three separate women from Ensenada.
4) Anonymous phone call was made to CONAPESCA / SAGARPA ON APRIL 11, 2009 shortly after 1:00 PM claiming there was turtle in a blue pot inside
restaurant El Sargasso, there are turtle parts in the trash and there are drugs under the computer at the bar.
5) Officials and marines wearing black masks show at our restaurant at 3:00 PM April 11, 2009 with the order 100.5/OC/03590/09 from Mazatlan, Mexico
to search our restaurant specifically names "El Sargasso" for search. Permission was granted without question. Immediately they went to the blue pot
and asked what it contained. We told them we did not know it was for a customer requesting special service. We were notified it was turtle stew.
Military all wearing black masks enter restaurant saying turtle parts were found in trash. Olivia immediately demands to be shown parts and she is
escorted out and shown a plastic bag containing two heads, four flippers and the bottom part of one shell. No guts or blood in a bag that we do not
use here at Buenaventura. Olivia accuses officials FROM SAGARPA C. CESAR A. VELASCO DE LA TORRE AND C. JOEL CONTANTINO Card##AS FRANCISCO that they
have set her up with turtle which they deny. Same officials search our restaurant finding 10 kilos of cabrilla and ask for the factura for the
cabrilla. We are also written up for possession of 10 kilos of fish without a factura.
6) After 4:00 pm Olivia asks officials to go and look for the description of persons that placed the turtle and for their car. Marines go to Requeson
search for description of other suspects they do not find any. They do find a woman from Mulege that is cooking turtle. They instruct her to dump the
turtle in a hole in the ground. Then return to Buenaventura.
7) 5:00 PM April 11, 2009 Olivia and our cook Bertha are told they are to be taken to Loreto and will be arrested for the turtle. They are processed
at the Loreto PGR in Nopolo and locked up in the jail there. Olivia is informed that since it is Saturday she will be there at least until Monday
morning because all the officials are off.
8) Sunday April 12, 2009 I am allowed to give blankets and pillows to Olivia and Bertha. In the evening I am informed that Rafael Munoz Martinez is
posting on the internet information that is considered confidential. Olivia and bertha are not processed yet. Munoz seems to have lots of information
for being out of the area. He makes a Sunday post as follows.
Posted Sunday April 12, 2009 07:52 PM Hide Post
Well, all the articles were just a cover up for Olivia Higuera and Mark Burbey drug unloading business and illegal turtle catching in the Restaurant
El Zargazo on Buenaventura Beach in Bahia Concepcion, Mulege, she was caught this Saturday by the Marine Commandoes with her hands full selling
illegal turtle in her restaurant and is at this moment in Federal custody in Loreto, ready to go to jail for 12 years; the illegality of the property
papers was actually put before the Federal Judge and he found that the property papers were real and Olivia was just trying to confuse things, also
you can ask Mr. Thad Braxton in Buenaventura Beach to se that he is stil in his house, so all the Olivia and Mark acusations were just a smoke curtain
for their illegal activities that are now over.
Hey this is Mexico, but still a Lawfull place where the bad guys go to jail as it happened to Olivia, just watch el Sudcaliforniano now when they know
the true events.
Monday 13, 2009 Olivia and Bertha are processed. Since it was a holiday week PGR officials are slow to come in to the office. It takes all day until
11:00 PM to get the two released. Bail costs 44,000 pesos. Munoz is all over the internet posting claims about Olivia and the turtle.
We are having this case and officials responsible investigated for possible corruption.
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24baja
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Oh my GOSH, Stop already!
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BajaGringo
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Did I mention these Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Models taking pictures of themselves???
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Hey Baja Gringo
After opening up your swimsuit link I forgot what this thread was all about. Maybe one of the girls was from the Dry Tortugas Islands and that is
the common thread between he girls and the subject at hand.
We don't stop playing because we grow old;
we grow old because we stop playing
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coho
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Just wondering how turtles are commonly captured in the Sea of Cortez. It would seem that they are bi-catch in netting operations. Any experience in
they manner in which they are acquired? Dorado fishing last week we observed two turtles with a shell size of approx. 1 meter. They are still out
there and hopefully experiencing a comeback in numbers.
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shari
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I have good news....yesterday being mothers day was one of those days where many families feasted on cauhuama...so it was a topic of conversation. I
was happy to hear that this tradition was no longer possible...that finally people are realizing they must give it up. So we had pulpo en la
disca...it was so yummy! with coctel de chocolatas as an apetizer...ummm
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DENNIS
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There are turtles living in the waters in front of the power plant in Chula Vista. I'd like to see someone try to capture one of these guys. The
judge would have no mercy.
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i think this subject is finally losing steam...whew!...thanks dennis, for trying to keep it going, but..i'll check on all the "usual suspects" in two
weeks when we go down for the dorado tourney...may be some shallow graves by then..oh boy..
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mulegemichael
thanks dennis, for trying to keep it going, |
That, certainly, was not my intention. Mine was to offer a little known fact to those who may appreciate a little known fact. You can see by my past
disinterest in this thread how my intentions never approached support of the nonsense presented , and I would never support any type of hyperbole that
would lead to a prolongation of the crap presented here in this thread.
What's up with you Michael? Why the attack on me? Am I misreading it or, is it on with you and me? I'm in the mood for anything and everything.
Tell me....
[Edited on 5-12-2009 by DENNIS]
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Dennis, Have you ever meet any of the three people mentioned or been to the restaurant or motel. Or been south of GN Let a good thread die with out
stiring the BLUE POT
Never learned from a book-Only from mistakes, mine and yours
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mulegemichael
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well, i can see it's off to the races with dennis...i have tried and tried to avoid this crap but i knew this is where it would eventually end
up......so....what?...so...and NO...yer not misreading me...i HAVE the time!....what IS the time?.....is it time?
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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24baja
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here is a hug and a flower if you guys just kiss & make up.....peace on earth good will toword man and the like.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mulegemichael
is it time? |
Yeah...I guess it is. Don't attack me just for the sake of notariety. It won't do you any good.
You jumped off on me for less than nothing and followed up with a bunch of childish jibberish.
What did I say that prompted a continuation of this original thread?
I said nothing in that regard. I offered a bit of information that was meant to inform the bored audience of pertinant, unrelated information.
That's what I did.
You..a-hole that you are..decided to tell everybody of my efforts to prolong the agony of a long overloaded pile of crap thread that should have been
put to death days ago.
You did that maliciously and knew that when you hit the POST button.
What was your effort in the quest for peace and understanding here? I'll tell you what it was. It was NOTHING.
So...Don't bother me with your nonsense. You don't have what it takes.
And you, roun2it..........I live here. Don't ever think you know how far, in any direction I have traveled in my neighborhood. You just continue
to be a good tourist in Baja and everything else will take care of itself.
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Olivia and Munoz are now passé.
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