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EV drive train has 20 moving parts vs 200 for IC
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What's to fix? In my case which is typical, nothing of significance has needed to be "fixed" in 65+K miles. Tesla now has a better customer
satisfaction and quality rating than Toyota (who used to be #1) according to the people who rate those things. There will be Tesla factory trained
technicians available in the major population centers in Baja California within 5 years or less. Tesla is even negotiating with the Mexican Govt. to
build a factory in Mexico. I am confident the new President of Mexico, and her political agenda, will make it happen. The movement to BEV's is going
to be huge worldwide and in Baja California, just be patient for a little longer.
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Suppose you drive your small SUV EV 250 miles down Baja and then stop to fill up with electrons at your hotel's charger. I know there are variables
involved, but on average, how long will you be plugged into the charger juicing up?
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Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  | In Baja the numbers of EVs is so minimal that business owners just ignore chargers as it a waste of money.
The exception would be a hotel with a lot of folks staying there. |
Now. As EVs become the wave of the future that will certainly change. And you are looking at within a few years, not decades.
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Quote: Originally posted by PaulW | In Baja the numbers of EVs is so minimal that business owners just ignore chargers as it a waste of money.
The exception would be a hotel with a lot of folks staying there. |
Now. As EVs become the wave of the future that will certainly change. And you are looking at within a few years, not decades. |
Staying with the Baja theme........
I wonder if the Baja electrical grid is up to the task. I remember talk of a decision not to build any more generating plants on the peninsula and
instead tie into the mainland via an underwater cable.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
I wonder if the Baja electrical grid is up to the task. I remember talk of a decision not to build any more generating plants on the peninsula and
instead tie into the mainland via an underwater cable. |
I recently saw a very large solar farm off Hwy 1 just north of La Paz. It was so large I presume it was a project by BCS Govt. I presume we will
see many more of these solar farms throughout Mexico as a result of the new President's political agenda. This is good news for Baja California as
more supporting infrastructure for BEV's is installed.
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Try checking out one of the charger apps before planning to charge at a destination. Multiple reports showing chargers were not working in La Paz at
the shopping plaza when people drove there expecting to charge. The best exception in La Paz? If you are staying there overnite, Hotel One has always
reported as working. 2- 18KW Tesla chargers and also the one J1772
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | Suppose you drive your small SUV EV 250 miles down Baja and then stop to fill up with electrons at your hotel's charger. I know there are variables
involved, but on average, how long will you be plugged into the charger juicing up?
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It depends on the state of charge of your BEV. The destination chargers at the dozens of hotels in Baja California are Level 2 chargers and it can
take up to 8 hours (overnight) at this type of charger. The one exception is the Tesla branded Supercharger which are Level 3 (much faster). The
only Lever 3 Supercharger in all of Baja California is Hotel Coral just north of the tourist area in Ensenada. There are 6 connections there. It
will take about 30 minutes to fill up at that one location, depending on your state of charge.
Tesla builds their Supercharger locations close to well lighted locations close to shopping, eating, and accommodations within a couple of blocks.
The commercial establishments give the land to Tesla on long term leases. So Tesla only has the cost of site preparations and equipment (which is
recyclable). These locations become cash cows to the local merchants who have a steady, captive audience as customers.
It is only a matter of short time before Baja merchants realize the financial benefits to them and we will see additional Level 3 Superchargers
popping up along Hwy 1.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Try checking out one of the charger apps before planning to charge at a destination. Multiple reports showing chargers were not working in La Paz at
the shopping plaza when people drove there expecting to charge. |
Just to be clear, Level 2 chargers are NOT Tesla branded chargers. Tesla does not maintain, repair, or service these chargers. They are serviced by
the hotels that own them privately.
Tesla Level 3 Superchargers are serviced by Tesla. It is rare when you find one that isn't working. When not working they are repaired within a day
or two. And the chargers are NOT connected in series. When one is out, the others continue to work.
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| Quote: Originally posted by oxxo | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
I wonder if the Baja electrical grid is up to the task. I remember talk of a decision not to build any more generating plants on the peninsula and
instead tie into the mainland via an underwater cable. |
I recently saw a very large solar farm off Hwy 1 just north of La Paz. It was so large I presume it was a project by BCS Govt. I presume we will
see many more of these solar farms throughout Mexico as a result of the new President's political agenda. This is good news for Baja California as
more supporting infrastructure for BEV's is installed. |
Agreed! Mow down more virgin desert to provide electrical charge for cars with batteries mined in Africa by children!
And keep the gas stations running as before so the reliable transportation network can continue. Win win for everyone, right!?
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Virgin desert? You mean the desert off-roaders have so much reverence for they consider it their personal playground and tear through it on their
fossil-fueled vehicles, disturbing all the creatures that live there and spewing exhaust all over everything? That virgin desert?
[Edited on 6-5-2024 by surabi]
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Virgin desert? You mean the desert off-roaders have so much reverence for they consider it their personal playground and tear through it on their
fossil-fueled vehicles, disturbing all the creatures that live there and spewing exhaust all over everything? That virgin desert?
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oxxo, what is that more "dense" alternative to cobalt you speak of? I looked and couldn't find what you were talking about.
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Personally, I just don’t see the “future” of EV vehicles. Power grids cannot keep up with current demand and brown outs are fairly common. There
would have to be a massive turn around to install enough working charging stations if the proposed demand does indeed come into play and the capitol
investment would be massive. I’m all for alternative energy, but mainstay everyday EV cars for the masses has a lot of issues. Yes, recycling exists
but with solar panels wearing out, wind farms maintenance, and EV batteries on the rise there is not enough inventive to do anything about the
“end” product if you will. I won’t even get into the money and diesel gas that it takes to mine the special minerals needed for these
“economic” vehicles…..
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Are you under the impression that traditional electrical grids don't have equipment that wears out and requires maintenance?
Are you under the impression that their aren't people working on solutions to the issues you mention?
All new technologies required new ways of dealing with things and new infrastructure, which humans found ways to address.
If not, we'd all still be using horse and buggy because no one could envision building roads and highways and gas stations.
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I think you must be blind!
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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The problem at present in Baja is the grid electricity demand is growing well beyond the ability to install renewable supplies. Consequently, since
2022 power suppliers have been increasingly using petroleum (mainly diesel) generators to meet peak demands and renewable supplies continue to fall as
a percentage of total power.
https://www.dnv.com/article/the-baja-california-peninsula-en...
However, this far more efficient solution is now being built to offset the need for portable diesel plants, using modern high efficiency combined
cycle natural gas generation.
https://constructionreviewonline.com/construction-projects/c...
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| Quote: Originally posted by oxxo | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
I wonder if the Baja electrical grid is up to the task. I remember talk of a decision not to build any more generating plants on the peninsula and
instead tie into the mainland via an underwater cable. |
I recently saw a very large solar farm off Hwy 1 just north of La Paz. It was so large I presume it was a project by BCS Govt. I presume we will
see many more of these solar farms throughout Mexico as a result of the new President's political agenda. This is good news for Baja California as
more supporting infrastructure for BEV's is installed. |
I would guess this is the Aura Solar Farm which was built long ago and supplies about 32 mw power to the grid since before 2020. It was to be stage 1
of about 60mw but since then no more has been built and the trend has been back to Petroleum sourced power for the grid, notably the most recent
combined cycle natural gas plant out by Pichilingue
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I watched an in-depth video about recycled EV batteries, which I can't find now. It included an interview with a guy who once worked for Tesla and is
now starting a battery recycling business.
His biggest problem is it currently costs more to build batteries from recycled materials than it does to build them from materials that come out of
the ground. Extracting the elements from used battery packs is a complicated, energy-intensive, expensive, and nasty chemical process.
I dunno. I'm 50/50 on EVs. And I think that's the future. Both new EVs and new ICE automobiles will be available. Buy what you want.
[Edited on 6-5-2024 by SFandH]
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Lots of interesting discussion on here. Enjoying the thread. Too bad some folks come to name calling though…..
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