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Bob and Susan
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Going, Going ............. ?
Ayer I lost some more stations on my "Mexicano" Dishnet, mostly odds and ends. Thankfully, I still have HBO and Showtime. Getting hooked on "Rome".
If I lose it and the magic man in San Felipe can't fix it, I guess I'll have to signup. Oh well.
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For you Dish Network users in BCS, one reason that you can't get a lot of the stations (like "local" stations from your home city, some pay stations,
etc) may not be your dish. These stations are on the 110 satellite, while all the others are on the main 119 satellite. That far south, the two are
probably not close enough together to get both of them at the same time, as you can with a dual LNB dish in the US.
Also, anyone in the Mulege area that has a Dish/Direct 1 meter dish for sale, I'd be interested. If you also have portable tripod, more the better.
I'll be there in early Feb.
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Well, Now
I haven't spent any research time on this with the trig tables, etc., But since the satellites are 25K miles out in space in an
Equatorial orbit, it doesn't seem like a difference of less than 1K could have have a significant effect on the apparent spacing.
and if it would, the differences in Longitude, rather than Latitude would be more pronounced. Even that is unlikely given that the
standard Dish 500 is used to focus on the 110/119 across the width of the continental U.S.
I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
BTW, the majority of the newer Local Channel packages are placed on "Spotbeam" transponders that focus the satellite beam on a 150 mile radius circle
centered on a point in that market. One of the reasons why San Diego locals come and go below San Felipe. Tuning to a channel outside that area will
result in a dialog box that says "you are outside your designated viewing area".
[Edited on 9-13-2005 by MrBillM]
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turtleandtoad
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I haven't done the math either, just passing on what Dish Network told me.
Datastorm told me the same thing when I asked if I could get internet and TV at the same time with their system. They said yes, as long as I was in
the US and Northern Baja (apparently they also use two different satellites, one for the internet and another for the TV) but the alignment of the two
satellites was too far apart from Southern Baja.
Maybe someone with DataStorm or the Dish 500 system in BCS can give us some real life info on these systems.
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Test
Actually, it would be simple for anyone who is on location in BCS using DISH to prove the question one way or the other. With a single LNB Dish, peak
the signal on one satellite, note the azimuth and then peak it on the second satellite and note the azimuth. Subtract one from the other. Using the
satellite setup menu, pick a zip at the same relative Longitude and note the azimuth degrees of separation for that location. You'll then know the
answer.
Should there be a wider separation, one solution other than two separate dishes, is the Three-LNB setup utilizing the outer two positions. Those are
available aftermarket from: www.mcmelectronics.com.
The solution I use with my Motorhome with a single LNB dish on a tube is to peak the satellite on 119, place a piece of tape on the tube adjustment
and know that 110 is 1/4" to the East. If I want to access a program on the other satellite, I simply rotate the tube.
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Yeah, that would work for a test, but I was actually thinking about someone that has the Dish 500 with the dual LNB installed on a 1 meter dish that
has traversed the length of Baja? Same for the Datastorm, maybe a fellow RVer?
Ive got the Dish 500 system but when I was there last winter I didn't have the 1 meter dish so I lost the signal around San Quintin.
I like your idea about marking the tube. If I end up with a single LNB one meter dish, I'll keep that in mind.
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No Question
A larger than standard dish is required the farther you are South (or North) of the Satellite's aim point, which in the case of 110-119 I'm told is
Denver, Co.
We are talking about two different factors here and I hope I am not misunderstanding or being misunderstood. The reason for a larger dish when you
move South or North is not a difference in separation of the two satellites, but the distance away from the prime focus of the satellites. You need a
larger dish to collect more of the weaker signal. Even on the larger multiple-LNB dishes that I have seen, the relative positions of the two or three
LNBs are the same as on the smaller dish.
[Edited on 9-13-2005 by MrBillM]
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Chispa
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before this subject slides slowly into the back pages and oblivion, I recommend (again) that everyone living or planning to live in Baja save it or
print it. With 50 replies and over 1150 views it is obviously information that people need. Thank you to all who posted/U2U'd/or emailed this very
helpful information. I want to especially thank my new satellite systems installer Wayne Davy (losfrailes) that I met on this forum for answering
countless questions. This is definetly the man to talk to if you are considering an upgrade or new system. And without this forum....... I would
still be wandering aimlessly around Baja looking for these answers. chispa
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