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2frogs
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I agree...Guatamala people are great BUT the government is not! A friend's high official husband was chopped up in little pieces some years ago and I
don't think it's improved much. At least we used to feel safe in Costa Rica. As to Club Med out of San Carlos...it was taken over by Paridisio
Resort...if I spelled that right. They are trying to make a go of it, but we found it mostly a locals vacation spot, not much going on, way out of
town (which isn't bad, but need a car) the BEACH was beautiful. I'd live in San Carlos as it's so beautiful BUT the heat UGH Thought we had our
lives all planned out in Costa Rica, just shows it can change on a dime. Now it's toooo many dimes  Ha! Ha!
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Skeet/Loreto
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Bay of Los Angeles andLoreto will never be the same as the Americano influence at The Bay has been much more concentrated than at Loreto. There is an
overpowering of Americanos to Mexicanos.
Loreto has only seen fast Growth in the past 5 or 6 years.
If you are ever in Loreto when they have a good heavyRain, the water comes down through town and fills the Sumps on the malacon you will observe the
type of Waste system and its operation.
My last Trip to La Paz, I did a Small investigation into the future of "good Real Estate Values" and their future
In my Opinion La Paz will grow slower and for me better than other areas. If I invest it will be in La Paz.
There are still many pplaces in Baja sur that you can go and be isolated.
Skeet
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Phil S
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Skeet. Recent information has come to my attention that Fonaturs McCarthy was seen climbing into his "jet" at the Portland Int'l airport several
weeks ago. He was on a 'feasability study' trip to see if there were any options to bring the water of the Columbia River to Baja Sur. Also seen
leaving about the same time in their private jets were the govenors of Oregon & Washington. So there must have been some kind of "conference"
between the three parties Some of you may scoff at the ludicrous idea this is, but I would challenge you to read "The Caddilac Desert" by Marc
Reisner and also the "A dangerous place by Marc Reisner (Though written some years ago, I was able to buy them earlier this year) What an eye opener
reading about how Los Angeles as able to get "their drinking water". Read these, then you'll see what Fonatur was thinking. With water from the
Columbia, there will no longer be any "water problems for development in Baja Sur, Skeet. And since Los Angeles has all the water from the
surrounding states tied up, McCarthy has to go to the Columbia for the source. (happy reading)
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backninedan
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I lived in Oregon for 30 years prior to retiring to Loreto and want to put my name on the scoffers list, this just plain isnt going to happen. There
are Oregonians that have been fighting for Columbia water rights for years. There would be screams like you cant believe from the tribes located on
the Columbia, and with the advent of casinos and the new one planned for the gorge, the tribes pack considerable political wallop. Be interesting to
see what happens.
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Sharksbaja
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Dan's right. Don't believe it. The folks in Oregon would NEVER adhere to such a concept let alone part with our precious H2O. Remember, we have our
own water woes and periodic droughts in some parts.
[Edited on 9-14-2005 by Sharksbaja]
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Cincodemayo
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Just think of the possibilities if they got their water straight from the Hanford Reservation area....what a GLOWING idea.
If an aircraft carrier can produce over 900,000 gallons a day from Seawater desal plants are the answer....
Don\'t get mad...
Get EVEN.
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Sharksbaja
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shhhhhhhhhh, they might be listening!
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vandenberg
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Cinco
A carrier that produces that much fresh water is probably nuclear powered. Don't think Baja is ready for that yet. Hard enough to keep the power going
for more then 2 days at a time
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Cincodemayo
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Vandenburg....
Good point and I'm certain that a Nuclear reactor in Baja wouldn't go over well
Don\'t get mad...
Get EVEN.
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rpleger
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?Why Not? They work.
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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Cincodemayo
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That would give the Mexican Government technology to start producing yellow cake....
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Get EVEN.
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JZ
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Boy, this is one time I don't miss JR. We can actually have a civil discussion on this topic. Man, he would have wrecked this thread 3 posts in.
As for Club Med in San Carlos, it has re-opened as the Paradiso. And no one could credibly say that it has ruined the place. San Carlos is still
extremely sleepy, and you only have to go up the coast a few miles to be in the middle of nowhere in complete isolation.
[Edited on 9-14-2005 by JZ]
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Skeet/Loreto
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Phil Do you remember when they were going to cut up the Icebergs up North and ship them to Long Beach for Water. It came close to happening!!
Instead of the columbia river I have for a long time been talking about the Canadians shipping water through the Colorado, US uses it for Power,
transports it to Baja, Baja builds a Pipe Line to La Paz.
I think it would be better than to hassle with all the States. It can be done!
Skeet
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2frogs
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I think I just stated that the Club Med was now the Paradiso, but don't recall saying it had ruined the place???? San Carlos is great...just so hot!
Prices are rising very fast as well.
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JZ
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I wasn't referring to your post!, sorry. There was another post on the subject in this thread. An example of everyone wanting to freeze in time the
place from the moment they discover it. San Carlos is a good example of reasonable development with plenty of pristine nature left-over.
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2frogs
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Oh, thanks JZ, I didn't want to give people the wrong info. Yep, I agree about SC, but the latest postings about developement worry us. One more
thing.... can't they turn down the thermostat Ha! Ha! Baja is looking better and better because of the weather.
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Phil S
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If anyone reads "The Cadillac Desert" you'll find that anything can be done by just "pouring" enough money into the project. The Bureau of
Reclamation was competing with the Corp of Engineers back in the late 1800's & early to mid 1900's as to who gets to dam up "a" river to get
water to the L.A. basin . Pulling an iceburg down sort of rings a bell, Skeet. But I can't remember anything anymore, after the "last bell" fell on
my head!!!!!!!!!!!
[Edited on 9-15-2005 by Phil S]
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bajaden
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Nuclear reactor. Thats just what we need. Next thing you know the United States will invade because bomb making ability. How about a train first.
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Eli
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JZ & 2frogs, thanks for the information, truly it is pertainent to me even to this date what happens there.
I am so glad to hear that San Carlos took the slow track and that big development didn't destroy the tranquility of the beaches to the North. I had
images in my head of giant towering hotels and sub-divisions full of fancy big homes blocking my favorite beaches. Los Algadones sure has some fine
sand dunes to sit up and gaze out over the sea. The bushes behind the dunes created perfect little private alcoves out of the wind to camp in. Me and
a few folks and the rattle snakes just loved it back in those bushes.
When I left La Manga in the mid 80's there were 800 albanils from all over Mexico wandering the beaches. Some good guys, a lot of rough necks. "My"
beach had become a mess, one could no longer sleep out in the open at night. The population within a 10 km. radius of my camp jumped from 20 locals
to 80 folks and than within a month to the 800 guys that blew me away. That was a rough year.
Someday, I would like to cross over and go sit on the beach at La Manga, roll down the dune at Los Algandoes, see what is left of the Palmera, El Ojo
de Agua, Espanoza's ranch.
The rancher was fighting Club Med tooth and nail for the rights to keep his ranch where it was there in the Palmera, never did find out who won.
The very mention of the place brings back floods of memories of a wonderful magical time, many more good than not, spent 8 winters and part of the
summers camped on those beaches.
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2frogs
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Eli, I hope you get your dream someday. You just have to make it happen. Life is short, so go for it. Of course I say that as I sit here waiting
for my husband to retire Ha! Ha! 2 yrs. and we are outta here. It's a toss of the buck on the location we land. The beautiful waters of San Carlos
are a huge draw, the mild weather we hear about around Rosarito is soothing and then friends retiring to Ajijec are tempting with the beautiful
culture...just no ocean Like I say....the toss of the buck will decide. Good luck
on your adventures. 
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