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Barry A.
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We all certainly do come from a different frame of reference----
-----I have been going to Mexico for about 55 years, mainly Baja. I CERTAINLY did not go there to "get away" from anything. I went there because it
was a "new frontier", wild and raw, and thereby exciting----a place to explore. And, I always thought that it was that way because most folks were
afraid to go there, thank God.
As Baja develops, it is less desirable, for me anyway.
"paranoid wimps" ????------that is FUNNY 
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Packoderm
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Maybe a poll would be in order.
Also, is the photo legit, or was it staged?
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Bruce R Leech
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I don't like polls but this is a very interesting thread.
Thank you woody for having the nerve to post this I know it must have been hard for you. but we are all learning something about ourselves and others
also.
I agree with the fact that it is easy to monday morning quarter back this situation and I only think I know what I would have done in you case. no one
knows for sure.
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A life was saved, True story
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Was the would be rescuer a hero? Or was he a fool? He was neither. He did what he had to do. He reacted instinctively. The time called for action and
his core values were strong enough that no thinking or analysis was required.
And that's how I feel about this thread. There's too much rationalization about something that should have been a gut check. |
On May 04 2004 we took a trip to Ca?on de Guadalupe, fdt, Mrs. ferna, and the kids in one Saturn VUE and James and his daughter in another Saturn VUE,
we wanted to try them out, both brand new, the plan was to leave Tijuana early, but ended up leaving till about 10, we reached the Ca?on de Guadalupe
exit at about noon or so and into the Salada we went, there was some pavement then, maybe for about a few miles in and then the dirt started, about 4
miles in we see at a distance a man walking, as we get closer he starts waving at us but not very energetic as if his arm weighed a ton, remember it's
around 12:30 and it's 109 farenheit according to our thermometer in the mirror and this guy is just walking twards us. Were all what the? and we stop
and the guy is foaming in the mouth and sais ayudenme por favor, immediatly we start asking what is he doing walking in the dessert (he had a digital
camera hanging from his neck and was well dressed but dusty). As we continue asking and giving him gatorade / water / soda, we sat him in front of the
air conditioner (the guy was dying when we found him), he starts to compose himself and starts telling us that they thought they whent to far and in
turning bak got stuck in the sand and that they waited and waited and no one would drive by so they decided to walk to the hwy and that his friend was
back there cause she couldn't make it any further. I'm all what do you mean back there, there is someone else? So we get back in our cars and there we
go full speed and after quite a way we spot someone laying on the middle of the road. Were all Oh my God! Oh chit! En la madre! We get there, get out
of the car and it's a young laidy just laying there navy blue skirt, white shirt, navy blue sport coat. I start moving her in desperation, Simone
tells me get out of the way and starts mouth to mouth, listens to her heart, sais she still has a heart beat, I say lets get her in the car fast!
Rapido, rapido! I start emptying the back of our VUE of fire wood, ice chests, transfer the tents, sleeping bags etc from the back of my friends VUE
and we get her into the back of his vahicle and off they go to the hwy, James his daughter the guy, and my wife with the lady trying to resucitate
her. I stayed with the kids, loaded up some stuff, left behind some other stuff and followed them. when we got to the hwy I'm all now what? so I head
twards Mexicali. I spot them on the side of the road by one of the emergency phones and there is a white pick p truck aproaching them, the ones that
work on the roads. kids stay in the car, I go to the other car, my wife is crying, the girl's dead. The road guys call the caseta de cobro and 2 more
trucks arrive and they call an ambulance. By this time Simone (Mrs. ferna) is getting really peeed off at these people that work on the roads and
don't even have a first aid kit, or nothing and are just staring at the dead girl and she's all but the guy needs help he's all dehidrated. The
ambulance arrives and the same story, they go to the dead girl and pay no attention to the guy. Finaly they cover up the girl w/a white sheet and tend
to the guy. Remember the dead girl is inside the back of my friends car. so now they say that they have to wait for the federal because of the dead
girl. When the federalde caminos arrives we realize the hole thing that happened and all of the possible complications (dead girl in car? Who done
it). We start explaning to the federal and tell him the whole story. he gets on his cellular and is talking to someone, he goes to his patrol car and
radios, then another cellular call and then another and another. He comes back to were we are by the ambulance and then to my friends car, uncovers
the girs face and sais to the ambulance guys I don't think she's dead, he orders us all to follow him, that we were going to the hospital in Mexicali
to get an electrocardiograma to verify that the girl was dead. So here we go caravaning, the federal, my friend, with dead girl in back, the
ambulance, me and the kids, the three hwy trucks. Boy it seemed like a long way, we whent all the way downtown MXL to the Hospital General, drove into
the emergency drive, we all get out, it looked like they were already expecting us, a young doctor goes to the back of my friends car and verifies
that the girl is dead, the federal orders them to get her out of the car and get an electrocardiograma for verification. They all look at him like
he's wierd or something but obey and get the girl out and place her in a wheelchair, and could'nt get her straight enough to sit (she was stiff) and
they rolled her into the hospital. the federal callls us and sais give me your information so we do that and then he sais "You need to hurry and move
your cars because they are blocking the emergency driveway".
My friend and I realized tat that was our queue, out get out of jail card, our ticket to leave. We now knew what all those call were for back in the
hwy.
So there we go back to Ca?on de Guadalupe, this time we took distances, from the road to were we found the guy, from the guy to the girl's location
and pick up our stuff and then we whent for 9.8 miles and found the truck stuck in the sand, brand new, with a sign on the sides that said CESPM. They
were both engineers for the water company on theire way to do a survey at a ranch and they realized that they had gone to far, stoped and tried to
return and the truck got stuck, they had no radio, no water and no cel phone(it wouldnt have worked anyway). Anyway we got out of our cars and we all
whent to the truck like something was calling us to look at it, it was the missing link to the story, our experience, the kid's real live dead person,
it was reality, lessons to be learned, time, meditation, prayer, thankfulness, and reality. Ok now so we went on our way, by this time the sun has
gone down so we want to hurry so Arturo is still awake when we get there. Here is were it really got weird half a mile in tward the canyon the road
bends to the right slightly and as you finish that bend ther was a ranch with trees, windmill, water sprinklers, people. Now that was wierd, if theyd
only gone the other direction.when we got back home, I started going into the la cronica's (Mexicali's newspaper) web page and found out that her name
was Rosario, she was 26 years old, etc.l My wife was reading all the stories they wrote about the incident and she, against all logic wrote to one of
the reporters to tell our story, and they even printed it. I was kind of nervouse that they might find us but nothing happened, the girls mother ended
up emailing mi wife and thanking her for all she did for her daughter.
I guess what Im realy trying to say is that I would have aproached the guy in Catavi?a to see if he was ok.
http://www.lacronica.com/EdicionImpresa/ejemplaresanteriores...
[Edited on 7-30-2009 by fdt]
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fdt
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http://www.lacronica.com/EdicionImpresa/ejemplaresanteriores...
http://www.lacronica.com/EdicionImpresa/ejemplaresanteriores...
http://www.lacronica.com/EdicionImpresa/ejemplaresanteriores...
[Edited on 7-30-2009 by fdt]
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Barry A.
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Great Story, Fdt------------
---and I applaud you, and your friends, for doing absolutely the right thing!!!!!
I have a similar story, but not nearly so dramatic, and the victim lived to tell about it. Still, if we had not happened along in a VERY remote area,
this guy probably would not have made it, either----same circumstances.
Like others have said, it just depends on the circumstances, I am thinking. You gotta follow your "gut" on these things, it seems to me, and to
criticize someone else for the way they react is fruitless, and damaging. We can only speculate what WE PERSONALLY might do.
Thanks for a great story.
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David K
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Gracias Ferna for printing your story here!
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Tomas Tierra
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WOW fdt that sounds like a heavy day..
That man in OBVIOUS need of help would get every bit of assistance I could offer whether by myself or with my young family. I applaud you and your
team for your efforts..
I think every "paranoid whimp" here would have done the same thing.
That man was dying, that boy in the river was dying, human nature takes over..
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Bruce R Leech
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Wow fdt what a story you are to be co mended for doing every thing possible to help those people. and a life was saved because of it .
Before this thread I would have thought that your response would have been the normal one. now I wonder.
one thing is for sure I am going to double up on My survival gear that I have when I travel.
thanks for shearing fdt
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JZ
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FDT is to be aplauded for this. But his circumstances are a lot different from Woody's.
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It was Simone
She's the one that had the girl die in her arms, she did the resucitating efforts. Yes we all took part, we were all in the same train of thought and
actions, but she is my heroe. We don't see eye to eye sometimes but I would never leave home without her, my very own kentucky woman mexican heart.
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Bruce R Leech
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Not much from the stories. the only one I see is the man was still standing.
but some how in Woody's Case something was telling him that things went right. it is flight or fight when the adrinalen starts floing. and you cant
argue with what your instincts are telling you to do in a situation.
Both of these people did what they thought was right at the time. and both will live with that for the rest of there lives. and I cant say who is
right or wrong. but I can learn from both experiences and hopefully make better decisions when the time comes for me.
[Edited on 3-27-2006 by Bruce R Leech]
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Nice story ftd. I think everyone would do as you did.
Now that everyone is firmly planted on their own moral high ground, I shall confess.
The purpose of this photo was to provoke a reaction. I had three choices, play the role of the lifesaving hero, the callous gringo, or post nothing.
I'm glad I made the decision to post. I also stand by the statements I made while this was still an "actual" event.
We parked on the northbound side and the man was doing something about 20? east of the road. I walked up the trail looking for some seeds and
exchanged ?hola?s with the man. When I returned about five minutes later the man was crossing the road away from our truck. The man had just asked my
son for some pesos who instead gave him a coke and a tamale (left over from carmelita?s) and the man walked away, into the brush. As we started to go
search the west side of the highway for seeds we saw the guy enjoying his lunch and I figgered it?d make a good photo.
JR woulda got a kick outta this one.....
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Barry A.
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Woody, that is hilarious-------
-----YOU are da man!!!!! I think I can hear JR now----yes, I am sure I can-------
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Bruce R Leech
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I really don't know what story to believe now
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Bruce R Leech
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you seamed a lot more sincere in your first posting than when you were coping out. I think I'm going to stay with believing the original post and
consider the last to be an attempt to save face after you were embarrassed of posting what you did.
it is hard to say really. you put yourself and all of us in a very peccaries position.
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You are gonna catch hell for that. Hey, we were warned that this might be made up in the first post after Woody's. vgabndo posted: "Are you just
running a scam on we Nomads?"
Now if someone would only tell us JR's sudden passing was a setup!
[Edited on 3-26-2006 by JZ]
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Bruce R Leech
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some one told me they saw him in a walmart last week talking with Elvis
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I don't like being manipulated.
Sounds like a cop-out to me; either way.
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why cop out?
i took the heat for my original statements. why take more to save face?
next time thru the area, print out my picture and you'll see i was actually standing on the road where that trail lead downstream.
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