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Al G
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It appears your life is full kindness. Kindness grows and you spread it well.
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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bajadogs
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I agree with Diver
Diver said -
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In Florida and other US waters, recreational divers are not allowed to use anything but their hands and a non-hooked stick
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Poacher,
In the US, if you can't bag the bugs with your hands as a recreational diver you should invest in a commercial fishing license, a boat and traps. Then
maybe you will change your views about poaching.
I've been diving both Californias for over 20 years and can proudly say that I have NEVER broken US or Mexican fishing laws. Oh, I've been tempted
when it just seems so easy and I come out of the water with a hunger for what I just saw but I just don't cross that line. "Everyone does it" is not
an excuse. If you see someone poaching, report them, confront them. It's a crime for a reason, as bad as theft.
"Descent men doing bad things" - John Steinbeck, Log from the Sea of Cortez
[Edited on 10-19-2006 by bajadogs]
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Al G
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OPPs............Where did you come from?? If you stand on sanctimonious ground I applaud you....but would not want to be you. Most of us are having
fun, maybe you are not???
Welcome to Nomads... lots of useful Informatin..many friends.
Albert G
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The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Stickers
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Shari, I know Capt. Mike has asked you this question recently but I will ask again about the current condition of the airstrip?
All this lobster talk is getting me hungry and I'm thinkin about gasin up the aluminum carpet and comin down.
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Tomas Tierra
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajamatic
Also, sometimes its just easier to take a few from the local traps (I like to leave a beer there, too).
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That is the lamest thing I have ever heard!!!! you must have been kidding BM, I hope so!! My buddy is a lobster fisherman, the amount he looses to
this kind of idiotic behavior is ludicrous!! Only a true KOOK would do that..If your diving and can't get one on your own your not worthy of eating
it!
shoot, I went hoop netting in front of my house last night and got 11 (two of us) with two of those over 10 pounds!!
be careful trap poachers!! there are some clever boobie traps out there...would you rather have all of your fingers or a lobster..........I thought
so!
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MrBillM
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Sense and Sanctimony
I've noted that various residents who are among those on the Liberal Left have taken a sanctimonious stance regarding the morality of strict obeyance
of Mexican Law on these trivial issues.
Given the fact that they also profess an overwhelming sympathy and comradeship with the Common Man and his welfare, aren't the two views in conflict ?
In the subject at hand, after all, the "Rules' established by the Government for sales of Lobsters and Camarones are designed not to create a healthy
job market for that common man, but to enhance the government's profit margins in the Export market. As a result of these "Co-op" regulations, the
fishermen find themselves working at subsistence wages without any ability to enhance their finances. In every case where I have bought Lobster or
Camaron (and Tortouva) from Mexican Fishermen, it has been they who approached me and not the reverse and I am sure that, having paid the requested
price, they profited a lot more than they otherwise would have.
Given the Liberal concern for those downtrodden workers, is it not More moral to buy from them and make their lives just a little bit
better than would otherwise be the case ?
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Bruce R Leech
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nuke the Lobsters and Camarones
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MrBillM! Believe it's called "free interprise", with the emphasis on "free".
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
nuke the Lobsters and Camarones |
Bruce... now you must explain...I don't like over cooked crustaceans(sp?). Can't we use a smaller bomb?
Albert G
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Amazing how the buying and selling of lobsters and Mexican law has now also become a liberal plot.........WHO KNEW !!!!! 
Another legitimate thread trashed in the name of righteous indignation........
Shari, thanks for the original info.........it's up there somewhere?????
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
I've noted that various residents who are among those on the Liberal Left have taken a sanctimonious stance regarding the morality of strict obeyance
of Mexican Law on these trivial issues.
Given the fact that they also profess an overwhelming sympathy and comradeship with the Common Man and his welfare, aren't the two views in conflict ?
In the subject at hand, after all, the "Rules' established by the Government for sales of Lobsters and Camarones are designed not to create a healthy
job market for that common man, but to enhance the government's profit margins in the Export market. As a result of these "Co-op" regulations, the
fishermen find themselves working at subsistence wages without any ability to enhance their finances. In every case where I have bought Lobster or
Camaron (and Tortouva) from Mexican Fishermen, it has been they who approached me and not the reverse and I am sure that, having paid the requested
price, they profited a lot more than they otherwise would have.
Given the Liberal concern for those downtrodden workers, is it not More moral to buy from them and make their lives just a little bit
better than would otherwise be the case ? |
Makes sense... more income for the good of the common man.
Another point of view Bill:
The laws may be designed to limit the take of lobsters to insure the species isn't wiped out from over fishing or the taking of bugs during
reproduction season? Totuava should be left alone until the numbers return... However, that is some good eating fish. After a great fish dinner at a
popular Gonzaga Bay restuarant, I inquired as to the variety I just consumed... The nice lady (who no longer is there) looked both ways and whispered
to me "totuova"...
Heck, if they don't care then I wonder how much they can expect visitors to?
I think the desire to make more money to provide for one's family will mandate if lobsters and totuavas continue to be sold by Mexican fishermen...
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MrBillM
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Good Point, David
Limiting the "Take" in order to insure survival of the species is a Valid reason for the Government rules, although I'm not sure if the Mexican
Government's regulations are designed for that purpose as opposed to profit maximization.
When it comes to "totuava", my experiences have probably been much the same as yours, a matter of pure luck. The first time I ever tasted it was
during a trip to Alfonsinas @ Gonzaga Bay in 1973. We went down to the restaurant for dinner and the day's catch was "totuava". We got a HUGE slab
of fish along with a tiny pat of instant mashed potatoes and a dab of canned corn for 5 bucks. It became my instant favorite. At that time, it was
still selling at the meat counters in Mexicali and we bought it often along with Caguama.
I note your spelling of "totuava" and I yield to your extensive experience. I've seen it spelled so many different ways in books that I've never been
sure which was the most correct.
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bigzaggin
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I must be TOTALLY CRAZY...
...'cause in 15 years of going to Baja - during which I've purchased MANY a langosta off local fisherman - I have never once felt I was A.) Ripping
them off B.) Endangering their job C.) Somehow contributing to any sort of "bad American" myth or D.) Undermining the fiscal stability of BCS.
A typical transaction is uneventful:
Me: Did you guys get some lobsters today
Fisherman: Yeah. You want a few?
Me: Yes, four would be great. How much you want?
Fisherman: (price varies, typically $5ish per)
Me: Cool.
I then pay the guy and throw in some cold Tecates for good measure, maybe a ballena if they haven't all busted in the cooler. In my wildest
fantasies of superfluous conversation I never once fathomed so much chatter could surround a basic commerce transaction. SURREAL.
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Al G
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Will someone explain "totuava" Please?
Thank you,
Mr. Baja know nothing Albert
Albert G
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bigzaggin
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Check this out Al...
I'm assuming you mean the fish?
http://www.mexfish.com/fish/totoa/totoa.htm
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Al G
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Thanks, bigzaggin
Sorta ugly non sport fish. See me.
Albert G
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David K
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This one is a baby... (photo from Gene Kira's web site)...
My young school friend Shawn Grover caught one about that size back in '67 on the beach at (what today is called) Bahia Santa Maria with a fresh water
kiddie pole!
Here's Shawn and I (39 years ago) in my parent's trailer at Nuevo Mazatlan, Thanksgiving 1967...
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shari
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OK guys, my original idea in this post was to provide some info which many folks are not aware of...you do what you bloody well please with it but
don't come whining to me to help get you out of jail, where you will be if you get caught poaching lobster here...if ya don't get dead
first...poaching is real serios here, just ask the families who just buried the last poachers who were shot dead on Cedros Island last week. Just so
ya know....it is illegal to take any lobster in this area even with your pinkies. It's all real cool until you get caught...so what I was getting at
is BE COOL and yes of course it's available like anything else here....just be aware of the consequences...didn't mean at all to sound self
righteous...just figured I was helping pass on local info. I have to listen to all those fishermen that YOU THINK go away happy with a ball
cap...while they complain and b-tch and moan about friggin cheap gringos and I listen to what the fishermen who have bee slighted are thinking of
doing to those folks....not nice... ya see, sometimes they are all smiles and gracias to you but then complain bitterly about how you treated them.
weird I know but good to know. Be fair and you might not get your stuff ripped off later....word to the wise....
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bigzaggin
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Shari...
Consider yourself officially removed from "People To Call If I Get Busted Poaching Lobsters In Baja" list. But it is good to know poaching is
illegal in Mexico. I'd assumed otherwise, I mean, since it's so totally legal everywhere else.
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jimgrms
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Al tortuava or however it is spelled i n the mid to late 50 early 60 200 300 lb ers were commonplace around san felipe thier natural spawning
area, They have a bladder or some body part that the chinese think is a great approdisiac so the fish population was decimated because of horny
chinamen, also when fishing until you land the fish it is hard to identifyin then and tortuava have a air bladder that manny think the fish will
die if it is inflated so they keep it (big no no if caught go to jail big time ) but if bladder is punctured will be ok,, the fisherman statut
in san felipe the guy is carrying a totuava, so this entire thread and also all the misspelled words and poor grammer is because of a bunch of
lustfull chinamen jim viva gezzerhood
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