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MrBillM
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Dish Size not a factor.
Having a larger Dish will not help in receiving the L.A. Locals in Baja. Here, just south of San Felipe, I am getting a signal strength of 83-85 on
my Dish 500 so there is plenty of signal strength.
The determining factor is simply location now that they have moved ALL of the L.A. Broadcast stations onto Spotbeam no. 3 (Sat 119). Obviously, as
far South as I am, the situation is marginal since we do have coverage during the day and early evening. I'm accepting BCS Tech's "wobble explanation
since nothing else fits. If you are farther South than I am, no doubt you'll lose those stations 24/7. No antenna will help.
IF you want to have Network Broadcast feeds, it appears that you'll have to have either a residence location within the SF or ATL areas OR get an RV
Waiver (one receiver only).
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BCSTech
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I just got off the phone with AllAmericanDirect. Their online qualifer form isn't working. Here's what I found out:
Remote addresses in areas like Alpine, TX apparently qualify to receive the SF and Atlanta distant locals through AAD, but LA and probably NY and
other metropolitan addresses do not. This means I will need to shift many of my customers back to addresses where I had them set up before or else get
them an RV Waiver, which AAD also offered as available.
AAD bills the customers for 6 months in advance; $54 for all feeds. They do not need to have the credit card info repeated to add the programming for
qualifying customers. AAD apparently has DN's database and are able to cross reference their accounts by telephone number and/or DN account number.
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MrBillM
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Finding the Right Address
That's the problem.
It HAS to be an address where Dish Network doesn't offer ANY Local channel package. So far, I haven't come up with one among my friends and
relatives. Even those in some rural areas are being offered local packages from some city other than SF or ATL. All of those others are on Spotbeams
so it's either an address in one of the two (SF /ATL) OR one so rural that it is eligible for none.
Someone in such a rural address could make a few bucks by supplying their address as a dummy. I'd pay a reasonable fee. If you're like me, nothing
ever comes to my residence since I pay online. The "address" supplier could say it is an apartment house if the question ever came up regarding
multiple accounts.
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BCSTech
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Got 'em. $85 to set up.
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SDRonni
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When we move into our condo in Rosarito Beach, should we use DirecTV or Dish or cable? We would want to be able to view San Diego channels......we
live in San Diego......
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Reeljob
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Try Silverton, Colorado or Sunnyside, Nevada. Be sure you use a good billing address. It does not have to be in "residence" zip.
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MrBillM
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Rosarito
Rosarito is well within the 150-mile radius of the Dish Network San Diego spotbeam.
As I said earlier, The San Diego feed works at times in our area (approx 170 air miles from San Diego).
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MrBillM
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SF and ATL Distant Channels
Because Dish Network was offering the SF and the ATL feeds as a national feed through the third-party vendor, it was assumed that Dish Network was
leaving those two Cities on "Conus" or nationwide feeds, however, I looked up the feed info on Dish Network's SF feeds and Those
feeds ARE shown on a spotbeam so it may be that ONLY the feeds provided via AllAmericanDirect will be available nationwide.
The bottom line then is that an alternate subscription address with Dish Network in either the SF or ATL areas still won't get you the feeds outside
those cities local area.
RATS !
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BCSTech
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| Quote: | | The bottom line then is that an alternate subscription address with Dish Network in either the SF or ATL areas still won't get you the feeds outside
those cities local area. |
All American Direct has been offering to submit waiver requests to the local SF
networks on behalf of people with SF addresses. No guarantee this will work but might be worth a try.
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BCSTech
| Quote: | | The bottom line then is that an alternate subscription address with Dish Network in either the SF or ATL areas still won't get you the feeds outside
those cities local area. |
All American Direct has been offering to submit waiver requests to the local SF
networks on behalf of people with SF addresses. No guarantee this will work but might be worth a try. |
BCSTech...They flat told me no 6 days ago. I am waiting for RV approval now. Can anyone guess how long is the wait?
I mailed it 6 days ago....
Albert G
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BCSTech
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Interesting. A customer with an SF address told me that AAD offered to send in the regular waivers on their behalf with an expected 2 to 4 week
turnaround. I confirmed with them that this was not an RV waiver.
Sounds like AAD may not have this all down yet, either.
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MrBillM
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The Final Word on Distant Networks
When SHVIA was reauthorized in 2004 as SHVERA, the basis for receiving Distant Channel Networks was revised so that ONLY those already receiving them
prior to Dec 2004 who were also receiving A Local Channel package could continue to do so. ANY NEW SUBSCRIBERS who reside in an area where the
Satellite provider has a local channel package is prohibited by Federal Law from receiving the Distant Networks.
ANYONE who says that they will help to get waivers is blowing smoke.
The Doc below is from the FCC's website. I have underlined the pertinent language.
[Edited on 12-29-2006 by MrBillM]
[Edited on 12-29-2006 by MrBillM]
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BCSTech
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| Quote: | | ANYONE who says that they will help to get waivers is blowing smoke. |
I should clarify; AAD only offered to
submit waivers on behalf of a customer with a SF address to receive the SF locals via satellite. They didn't say they could obtain the waivers. My
understanding is that it is up to the individual local networks to decide whether or not to approve such waivers.
I'm not a lawyer but I don't see where local networks granting waivers is a violation of SHVERA as printed above.
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comitan
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After reading the SHVERA, it specifically states Analog transmission I didn't think Dish was Analog transmission.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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TMW
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Dish, Direct TV etc are not transmitting in analog. By analog they mean they are picking up the local stations analog signal for rebroadcast over
satellite. For example in Bakersfield the local stations will not approve a waiver for an out of area analog signal (because the locals analog are in
the satellite providers feed) but will approve an out of area digital if they are in an area where the digital signal can not be picked up with a roof
top antenna, like Tehachapi, because the satellite provider in this area does not include the local digital signals.
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MrBillM
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Analog
DirecTV is specifically citing the language in SHVERA as the LEGAL prohibition that keeps them from providing Distant Network Channels into an area
where they have offered a "Locals" Channel package. Whether or not, the "Street" Lawyers among the Nomad Clan Believe that the
wording provides such prohibition or NOT, the fact that DirecTV DOES makes any such nit-picking a useless, if entertaining,
discussion.
However, I might also point out that said Legal Beagles are misinterpreting the SHVERA Language. It is referring to the retransmission (by whatever
mode) of a distant analog broadcast signal into a different Local Market. Those distant channels are "broadcast" analog to their local market.
In any case, as I said, DirecTV is interpreting the language as such and they are specifically allowed by the legislation to NOT broadcast said
signals if their policy is such. No legal recourse there. UNFORTUNATELY.
Although I'm searching for an alternative i.e. a DirecTV customer still receiving the NY feed who I can pay to add a receiver to their account, even
that might be short-lived. All it would take is for DirecTV to tighten up their Sat footprint so that Only the U.S. is covered, although as far North
as I am, I might still be OK.
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comitan
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Bill
Why do you have to answer a question thats been already been answered, (Don't you think that is kind of a sign of senility.) deleted per my wifes
suggestion. Luckily none of this pertains to me since I am on C Band and get 8 of the Denver channels in HDTV for $123.00 per anum. To get this you
have to have a big dish, HDTV receiver and have a USA address and be grandfathered in.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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BCSTech
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| Quote: | | DirecTV is specifically citing the language in SHVERA as the LEGAL prohibition that keeps them from providing Distant Network Channels into an area
where they have offered a "Locals" Channel package. |
Sorry, are we talking about DirecTV, or Dish Network and
AAD? 
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Al G
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Dish Network Local Channels Package
| Quote: | Originally posted by BCSTech
| Quote: | | DirecTV is specifically citing the language in SHVERA as the LEGAL prohibition that keeps them from providing Distant Network Channels into an area
where they have offered a "Locals" Channel package. |
Sorry, are we talking about DirecTV, or Dish Network and AAD?
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I do not think Directv has a stop broadcasting order.
But I could be wrong....
all that I know is the problem for me ....Directv....Sur...no worky. ME....Dishnetwork....Sur....distant locals....No worky.
Waiting for the "in the know" people to make me Know...
Albert G
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MrBillM
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C Band Long Gone !
I gave away the C Band Dish I had in Baja in 1995. Dish "seemed" to fulfill all of my requirements.
I had looked at DirecTV as a possible alternative since I know a few people who have Direc and are still getting the NY feeds (per the noted above)
having had them for years. However, DirecTV as stated have said they are prohibited by law from delivering those to an area wherein they are
transmitting a local channel package.
The same prohibition would hold true for AAD. In their descriptive literature, they are offering the SF-ATL channels ONLY to Dish customers who are
in areas that qualify as "unserved households" and those eligible for an RV waiver.
This leaves NO facility for receiving the EAST COAST Feed (s) that are still on a "conus" beam EXCEPT to find a subscriber with DirecTV who still has
the distant channel package and would be willing to add a receiver for a price. So far, the only ones I know are already serving other family members
by carrying multiple receivers on their account, but who knows, given time and tenacity I will probably find one.
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