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Big Al
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I'm calling BS on this one
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Yeah, can't be too careful about all those octegenarian, blue haired suspicious characters with their walkers and Hawaiian shirts. Likely Al Qaeda
indeed! Heaven forbid we should engage in -gasp- racial profiling! 
If that's the way you feel about it, tocayo, be prepared to sit in line for several hours and bend over for the finger wave. Oh, and be ready for $10
lettuce. If you only go to Baja once or twice a year, maybe you can deal with that. Those of us who live along the border think this is bullsh-t.
Our farmers are paying $9/hr for labor and plowing under fields of prime crops because they can't get enough hands to pick it.
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Approximatley $.13 of the cost of a head of lettuce is due to field labor. Even if we doubled the farm workers wage it would only increase the cost
by an additional 13 cents. The farmers can't get enough hands to pick their products because they aren't paying anything close to $9/hr, that's why
they hire ILLEGALS. We should not subsidize any industry because we cannot afford the product. Pay legal workers fair (market value) wages and you
won't be short of employees. Paying someone substandard wages knowing they live in substandard conditions, so we can save 13 cents on a head of
lettuce does not seem like a noble way to live to me. When you can make more money on welfare than at a job, you will stay on welfare.
Don't believe the propoganda, pay real money, get our deadbeats off welfare, and then if we are short workers, we can have guest workers come in. But
at no time should we be paying them less than market value.
An equivalent would be for me to import a bunch of engineers from India and pay them $20,000 a year, In reality, I have to pay American engineering
college graduates about $50K - $60k straight out of school. That is what the market demands. Why should farmers, landscapers, hotels and other
industries be subsidized by cheap labor? We should all compete under the same set of rules.
Sorry, I couldn't keep quiet.
Big Al
[Edited on 1-3-2007 by Big Al]
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Big Al------
Very interesting. Thanks for posting this---------lots to think about.
Barry
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OK, the $10 lettuce was hyperbole, but the $9/hr. is absolute fact, at least here in Yuma. Growers are advertising that amount in local papers, plus
time and a half, free lunch, a weekly lottery and free medical across the line in SLRC, and they still can't get enough people. Wages may not be the
same elsewhere and growers may not be as careful about fake documents. Here, there is too much at stake.
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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Big Al
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additional cost
Oso, I am sure you are correct. However, the pay wage is almost irrelevant. My point is the same. Let's pay these people $18/hr and add 13 cents to
the lettuce. If you pay people enough money, they will do the tough jobs. That is how we get workers out on the offshore oil rigs, and underwater
welders and any other tough job. We pay them enough money to attrack people to an unattractive job. Especially in a town like Yuma. People are
going to want to be compensated extra for working in that oppressive heat.
As a country, we are going to have to decide if certain products should be made or grown in this country. We have to be realistic, if we are the most
efficient country to produce these products. In most cases I think we can compete as long as the playing field is fair. The other controversial
topic is taxing these products when they are imported from other countries so we actually have a fighting chance. We don't manufacturer balls and
bicycles and other consumer products in this country anymore not because we can't. The problem is countries like China can pay people close to
nothing because those people have a miserable standard of living. The only way we can compete with them is to level the playing field. If they won't
pay a decent wage than we tax those imports. Today we do not only export our jobs in manufacturing, we offshore our technical jobs like engineering
and technical support. I don't buy into the rhetoric that these are jobs we americans don't want
Instead of dragging our standard of living down to their level, let's try and raise their standard of living up a level or two.
My opinion only
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3 Nomad Thread-jumpers found wounded in lettuce field!
3 thread-jumpers were found lying wounded in a lettuce field near El Centro last night.
Barry A., Oso, and Big Al were admitted to an area knife-trauma clinic for treatment of wandering from the thread.
They had multiple wounds...corkscrews to the head, nail files to the chest, and tiny scissors cuts to the kneecaps....obviously had some sort of
run-in with either the Swiss or Russian Army.
[Edited on 1-3-2007 by Summanus]
Summanus....ancient Roman Nightly Thunder God. He liked refrieds too.
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Big Al
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Well deserved
My apologies. Sometimes I can't stop myself.
The worst part is I was interested in this thread because I hate dull knives as well. I use an oil stone, but it is never there when I have a big
mess of fish. Trigger fish make great ceviche but they are murder on a knife. Also, any suggestions on the best all pupose fillet knife?
Just trying to get it back on track since I helped in the derailment.
Big Al
[Edited on 1-3-2007 by Big Al]
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Summanus--------
 
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Big Al-----
-----I use a CUTCO filet knife and it is awesome, but really expensive (I got it as a gift from my son). 
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Big Al
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Cutco
Where can I get one?
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Al-----
I am not sure-----maybe Google CUTCO???
My son was a dealer when a teen ager. CUTCO filet knife has a soft rubber handle (no slip) and an adjustable length blade, very flexible, and super
steel-=----very sharp and does not lose its edge rapidly.
CUTCO Company is in Olean, NJ
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Just an old classic, but damn good, knife...
You can't go wrong with one of Rapala's fillet knives for your boat or fishcamp. The 7 1/2 inch model is the best for Baja. Barring that I would
simply buy the ones I mentioned in the other post...commercial grade 7"- 12" white rubber-handled Dexter-Russels. Neither one of these brands will
break your fishing budget.
..And..you can cut lettuce with them.
Summanus....ancient Roman Nightly Thunder God. He liked refrieds too.
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soulpatch...those are the commercial-grade Dexter-Russels I posted about above.. Good and strong fillet knives, aren't they?
Summanus....ancient Roman Nightly Thunder God. He liked refrieds too.
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OOOH, that corkscrew is uncomfortable
I'd be glad to continue the Agro-Economics discussion elsewhere, like off-topic or we could just drop it. I'm good with either way.
BTW, a real lettuce knife, for the field not the kitchen, looks almost like a big putty knife or chisel. It's made to sever the root stem with a
pushing motion. Harvesting lettuce with one of those skinny little Rapalas would be even more murderous on your back.
http://www.ontarioknife.com/indagr.html
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Oso, I'd be interested i your thoughts on my thoughts.
Thanks for the knife info. I am winning one on Ebay as we speak.
Big Al
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Oh for Neptune's sake's, OSO...I was kidding about the lettuce knife!! I KNOW what tools to use in the field...grrr. Don't make me get out my
spatulas and what-all.
By the way, isn't it time you bears were hibernating? 
Summanus....ancient Roman Nightly Thunder God. He liked refrieds too.
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yah, yah, yah yah, yah, nah....!!!!
I'll be good, I'm going to heaven, no like you pee-pees.
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Al, we could take it to off-topic but I'm afraid our level of reasoned discourse would not survive these guys getting involved:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/howlers.htm
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Enlighten us, Great Bear!
We're drowning in information and starving for knowledge.
Besides, one can only say so much about knife sharpening.
[Edited on 1-4-2007 by Summanus]
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lechuga
The view from my deck.
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Big Al
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Free Letuce
Looks to me like the 24 hour market might be giving lettuce away for free, self serve of course.
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