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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cardon
Since all cameras now take great pictures I think the best thing to do is go to a camera store and see which camera feels best in your hands.
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Mostly, this is true. There are however, some (huge) differences between most SLR-type cameras and high-pixel point-and-shoot cameras.
1. The shooting speed. SLRs are designed around the needs of professional photographers, and can take pictures as fast as you can click (or faster if
using continuous shooting). This can make the difference between getting a shot and not.
2. Lens quality, and diversity of same.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
A DSLR camera. As I stated earlier, I prefer a SLR camera with some heft to it and not a shirt-pocket camera, handy as they may be.
And my choices so far from all the great recommendations presented here are these:
1. Nikon D40 & D50, but of the Nikons most likely the D70 w/18-70 zoom
2. Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT w/17-85 Lens
3. Pentax K10D with good zoom lens
I look forward to hefting these cameras w/lenses to see which one I like in my hands the best and then trying them out one by one.
Many thanks...
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Suggest you go with Canon or Nikon, as they have the best selection of lenses (mfg and after-market). I don't know the Nikon line very well, but if
you go Canon, I suggest you buy body only, and get an "upgrade" to the "kit" lense. The kit lens is a so-so lens. Colors are noticeably better with
Canon's better lenses.
Buying a SLR after having a P&S is just the beginning of things you will buy (lenses are like meth, very addictive).
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cardon
Since all cameras now take great pictures I think the best thing to do is go to a camera store and see which camera feels best in your hands.
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Mostly, this is true. There are however, some (huge) differences between most SLR-type cameras and high-pixel point-and-shoot cameras.
1. The shooting speed. SLRs are designed around the needs of professional photographers, and can take pictures as fast as you can click (or faster if
using continuous shooting). This can make the difference between getting a shot and not.
2. Lens quality, and diversity of same. |
... and 3 -> viewfinder.
Most point and lick have no viewfinder. You're supposed to use the LCD screen. No matter how bright the LCD screen you can't see the damn image with
the sunlight on it. And who shoots into the sun? The small view finder of the high end point and shoot cameras are almost useless. They're the size of
those old brownie instamatics. Composition? - forget it.
This, of course, has nothing to do with your needs, Pompano, as you've already decided on a DSLR.
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Bob and Susan
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ken
true im not the professional you certinally are but...
i've had two nikons both had mechanical problems...
when nikon moved to thailand the "old quality" went away
the cheaper units for the masses started showing up
now they are just overpriced and "running on their reputation" IMHO
they both took the same basic pictures other brands took
i've read many articles on the lenses...
the real skill is from "artists" like you...the photographer
NOT the camera
composition is the key
most don't see it...i guarantee that
susan's rolex was an excellent watch but mostly jewlery...
people NEVER looked at her they looked at the watch
really weird
susan gave it away to our daughter who will use it forever
but...
i've seen many "old timexes" keep the same time...and run and run
i've developed many a picture in the dark room and
if you know guys still using film...they are old, stuck in their ways and "out of touch"
FILM IS DEAD.
the disagreement here is that with todays technology you DO NOT have to have the "old style" SLR's...
you need "meg:pix" and software
do you think the cameras on the SAT's above have big cameras
small is the future...ask ANY college kid...i have
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
do you think the cameras on the SAT's above have big cameras
small is the future...ask ANY college kid...i have |
You mean I have to get rid of mine?
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" You mean I have to get rid of mine? "
No, but you should loose the boots.
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DENNIS
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Edward Weston could have done more, had he been blind, than anybody else since could do with a camera. Black and white zone system photography wont
soon be replaced with digital anything.
Thanks Skipjack.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
i've developed many a picture in the dark room and
if you know guys still using film...they are old, stuck in their ways and "out of touch"
FILM IS DEAD.
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Jeezo, Bob ------
How can you say that? I shoot with a 4x5 using excellent optics but, with or without them, the silver image hasn't been duplicated digitally. Not
to mention the creative options available in the darkroom after pre-visualization and exposure considerations.
Perhaps , no, probably for sure, the day will come but it isn't here yet. Im getting old, as you mentioned but, I don't want to see the day when
the take-over happens although, it won't take away the pleasure I have now doing my own work.
More pixels wont capture the moment and more money won't produce good photography. It's still, as you said, the shooter who is the artist. Ken
Bondy's fotos will attest to that.
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Pomp....
http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/NikonD70versusRebelXT.shtml
Go here and take a look at the "Side by Side" comparison of Rebel XT 350D and the Nikon D70.
Pick and choose the features you like and are important to you. More, is not better if it doesn't do what you want it to.
They are both great cameras. I own a Rebel XT 350D (for the last 10 months) and like it. Lens, Lens, Lens. Get a good one (or 3? )
I still take the little click and shoot when the need rises.
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Is film based photography dead?
I have recently been to 3 Photographic Art Showings. Here in San Diego and in Taos. I have started asking if the work is digital or film. The vast
majority of the pieces turned out to be film based. A few were digital. The consensus was that the richness and depth of color was superior on film,
even more so with black and white.
Last year I took a class taught by the local president of the Photoshop User Group. The work this artist does is highly morphed pieces done with
Adobe Photoshop. To my surprise, his work was scanned photo's from a 35mm film camera into Photoshop. Again his answer was the superiority of depth
of color only film can achieve.
His opinion was that with todays digital media one could not achieve what Ansel Adams did with his old equipment. He wasn't referring to composition
either.
I'm not going back to film, but to those perfectionists they won't be trading theirs in either.
Ken
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Mrsfish has gone to a Canon EOS 20D, 8mgpxl, with a hard body and 400 zoom lense as well as a few other lenses. Her old Canon point and shoot was a
5mgpxl.
I can tell you that megapixels do matter. She is putting together dvds on her Mac that we play on our 40" plazma and the resolution is stunning. The
older camera she was using produced images that would "grain out" with this sort of magnification.
For image making, the Mac is a great way to go. It is hard for me to say this as I am PC, she says she is Apple and I am Apricot.
Mrsfish will take literally hundreds of photos to get just a few and the digital allows for ease in doing this with flash memory storeage that is now
bigger than the capacity of the CIA in the seventies. Large capacity flash memory cards are very useful indeed as is a camera with low energy
consumption and a spare battery pack is a good thing to add to the purchase.
Thaaaats all folks.
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I got the Pentax K100D. It was a no-brainer since I had a collection of lenses from the mid-80's (the camera takes all the Pentax K mount lenses).
I would have gone for the K10 if I had a money tree - instead I have a practical wife.  I am very happy with the camera so far. The "shake reduction" works well, I can hold it steady enough to snap pics with a 500
telephoto lens.
I look forward to using it in Chivato/Mulege in about three weeks!!!!!
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DENNIS
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Film in the above test shows more detail, grain of paper, therefore less contrast in a close-up shot.
Digital shots have more close-up clarity due to heightened contrast. Clearer to the eye on a close-up.
Blow them up and the film shot would, or should more closely depict reality with normal contrast.
Bottom foto....Beautiful.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
..with my Nikon Coolpix 4300, which is in dire need of repair.
Time to get it fixed and gift-wrapped, again..shhh.. 
Here is the photo.
What are your opinions and critiques?
Please be blunt and honest.
What would a D70 or a Rebel with the right lens add to this photo?
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That's a wonderful picture Pompano. A special time of day. I particularly like the boat, islands and water. I have seen wet sand that looks like that
water and it's always striking. I like that the islands and boat are not total silhouettes and have detail in them.
Now for the criticism:
Usually a landscape that cut right in half by the horizon is not optimal. It's as though the photographer wasn't sure whether he wanted you to look at
the sky or the water. You can actually make two good images here: (1) islands, boat, and sky or (2) islands, boat, and water.
I find the water most attractive and would crop it as follows. This is a simple suggestion and I hope you're not offended of the liberties I took with
your image. As far as what one camera would add that another did not. I'm a big believer that the camera in you is the most important camera.
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Nice touch, Skipjack ----
While he's at it, he might try putting an empty Pacifico bottle under his right foot. It wont work if it's full......has to be empty to level out
the horizon/waterline.
I know.....Picky Picky Picky.
[Edited on 5-30-2007 by DENNIS]
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Bob and Susan
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again the quality of the picture is from the photographer not the camera
oh yea and the area that pomp lives helps...sooo pretty
the computer software corrects the imperfections
and this from a 41k size picture made for the internet
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Warning
In wide angle mode, with a true wide angle lens, do either get "shadows" in the picture when using flash. Had a Nikon that did that.
Now it should be down to the displays and weight. The ease of using either will come down to the nature of the software in the displays.
You need to go to a camera shop and play "shopper".
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
In wide angle mode, with a true wide angle lens, do either get "shadows" in the picture when using flash. Had a Nikon that did that.
Now it should be down to the displays and weight. The ease of using either will come down to the nature of the software in the displays.
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Yes my D70S will do the same thing with my 12mm-24mm zoom. The built in flash is marginal and should only be used with a 50mm+- lense. It has no or
little adjustablily and can't be bounced off the ceiling. It will do a reasonable job of fill lighting in daylight with a close subject. At night or
at a distance it's horrible.
Anyone serious about using a flash will use flash attachments available from the manufacturer. Nikon has two models of flashes that work fantastic.
Just dig into your wallet.
Wait till this topic evolves to Ball Heads and Tripods. Can't wait for that thread. 
Ken
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A tip on using a Canon DSLR, when using a remote or timed trip make sure you put the provided cover over the eyepeace. Otherwise you run the risk of
excessive light entering the camera. Especially if the sun is behind the camera.
Don't know if this is true with the others.
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If you buy from a shop in San Diego check out : Point Loma Camera on Roscrans (619) 224-2719, Georges on 30th Street/off University www.georgescamera.com, or Nelson's Photo www.nelsonphotosupplies.com.
All have smart staff and will work with you.
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