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BajaWarrior
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
I'm with gnukid on this issue. The boat sank? What caused it to sink, a torpedo, gunnery practice?  |
Picture this - a 30' boat towed close behind a what? 80'+ foot boat. They are going to make it overnight from SQ to Ensenada, so they are moving right
along. Seas are almost guaranteed to be on the rough side, given the area and the direction of travel. So, what happens is, THE TOWED BOAT GET SWAMPED
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I saw that ship in July sitting off of San Quintin Bay. It looked like a Destroyer Escort, so that may put it in the close to 200' long range.
Roberto is right about the 30' cruiser swinging back and forth, in rough seas it would have easily sunk after taking on water.
The whole situation is a shame. Each report of Americans (and Mexicans) being harassed or robbed is giving me second thoughts about currently owning a
home or going to Mexico at all.
Otherwise, I love the place.
[Edited on 9-18-2007 by BajaWarrior]
[Edited on 9-18-2007 by BajaWarrior]
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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Cypress
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BajaWarrior I get the picture and agree about the whole issue being a shame.
Al G Jeez! I've already sworn off dipping dogs in sulfur and oil, will smoke
fish the way I want and .....and, mmuhm, ,.. I'm having a hard time thinking with my foot in my mouth.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Ever heard of Bob Dillon? |
no. where did you learn how to spell?
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DENNIS
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Yeah. It's Bawb.
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Cypress
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Dennis Thanks.
mtgoat666 Correction. I meant Bawb Dillon.
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Don Alley
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Bob Dillon? Is he related to Marshall Dillon?
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M
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THIS STORY TOLD TODAY IN O.C.REGISTER
I posted this earlier, knowing it would stir up some %$@#$. I didn't know there was already a thread about it even though I looked. Earle Robitaille
was quoted extensively in the article. It was on the last page of the sports section in the Orange County, CA. Register. (Someone find the link
please). The story is pretty much the same as posted, and Minnow, I bet it will stir up some action. Keep it going, write the editors, one cool thing
about the Register is that they OFTEN print well written stories about serious issues. Machine guns, fingers on triggers, ski masks, Navy, 140 miles
from San Diego, Hmmm, yep, I do believe this should be stirred long and hard. SOMEBODY CALL JOHN AND KEN AM 640.
If anybody knows those two, the Mex Navy will soon be on their KNEES!
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Minnow
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Michele, I am not seeing your other post, or the article.
No doubt, the whole story needs to come out. If I were to protest I would need to see the Documentation the was "not in order".
Proud husband of a legal immigrant.
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Stickers
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The ski masks show that this was intentional piracy by some criminal captain and his criminal crew.
We obviously should not donate ships or any military equipment to Mexico since the government there cannot prevent it from being used for criminal
purposes.
The Captain should be extradited to the United States and prosecuted for crimes against its citizens.
A few years ago a fishing boat out of San Quentine went missing with American tourists from the Los Angeles area. Nothing was ever found of that boat
and those poor souls. Now this incident sheds new light on that mystery.
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howat
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Here's a reply on Bloodydecks from a local SQ charterboat captain on this issue. The mexican navy was justified in towing the boat to Ensenada. Here
in San Diego I've seen many boats being escorted in, some being towed, by the US Coast Guard into port with their lights flashing.
K&M Offshore Charters San Quintin, MX
http://www.kmoffshore.com
"Heres the black & white: A boat was stopped for a routine inspection, the required papers were not on board (permits for boat & skip) , Navy
allowed a boat to bring papers out....(Papers found in order,exept skippers license)....there were still ID issues, navy decides to take the whole
show to Ensenada and turn over to Proper Authorities...(Port Capt.) boat being towed sinks in route. Upon arrival after routine phys exam and
declaration,all are released.
At this moment EVERY skipper here in San Quintin ,commercial & sport who do not already have their Permit/License are in Ensenada Taking the
proper courses for their "ticket" (Including 2 of my sons). I know eveyone will be making sure all their papers are in order and up to par, No one
here wants this to happen again. Just like in the USA there are rules and regs for vessels at sea and i know that if your boat gets boarded by
Homeland Security and you dont have your vessel permits or correct ID......you will probably get escorted too."
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by M
I posted this earlier, knowing it would stir up some %$@#$. I didn't know there was already a thread about it even though I looked. Earle Robitaille
was quoted extensively in the article. It was on the last page of the sports section in the Orange County, CA. Register. (Someone find the link
please). |
I saw that too. You beat me to the post as I was swamped at work yesterday.
Here is the link: http://www.ocregister.com/sports/fishing-boat-ramos-1849605-licenses-navy
It's long, and like you said says essentially the same as has been posted here, so I will not do a copy and paste.
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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Cypress
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Something about this just doesn't add up?  Either the "Captain"/ person in
charge of the Mexican ship is a total idiot and being protected by whoever put him in command of a warship or we're not getting the whole story.
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DENNIS
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Commisioned military personel in Mexico are above the law. Good luck demanding justice from a man who attended the Naval Academy.
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gibson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Stickers
The ski masks show that this was intentional piracy by some criminal captain and his criminal crew.
We obviously should not donate ships or any military equipment to Mexico since the government there cannot prevent it from being used for criminal
purposes.
The Captain should be extradited to the United States and prosecuted for crimes against its citizens.
A few years ago a fishing boat out of San Quentine went missing with American tourists from the Los Angeles area. Nothing was ever found of that boat
and those poor souls. Now this incident sheds new light on that mystery. |
what?? stretch much?
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Dave
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Above the law?
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Commisioned military personel in Mexico are above the law. Good luck demanding justice from a man who attended the Naval Academy.
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No.
The Mexican military IS the law.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
The Mexican military IS the law. |
For sure. Have you read the book, "The Generals in The Palace?" The military schools are manned by the wealthy, student and teacher. I recently
had a friend in Ensenada who graduated from the Naval Academy. We were at a home celebration of the New Year and at the sound of the gong, he took
out a large pistol and proceeded to shoot up the vacant lot next to my house. I asked him if this could be illegal, and his reply was"So what? Who
says I can't do this? I can do anything I want to do."
He wasn't an buttcrack, he was a good man. I hope he is still.
The point is, people like him answer to nobody on a civil level.
The best after-the-fact response we have is a coordinated response to these acts, a contolled rebellion, a development of a voice that will be
listened to.
Who out there can envision a movement of P-nche Gringos that have what it takes to organize to the point of being a real voice?
We need this.
We sit here, day after day, witnessing mayhem to our own, Mexicans as well. We see it and say, "Oh gee," and it's gone.
What we have to do is react. We have to organize. We have to think of others over ourselves.
Let's find a way to have a voice. If we don't, keep our complaints to ourselves.
How can we do this? Any ideas?
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howat
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Am I missing something here? The charter boat captain does not have the legal papers to operate the boat and other documentation is suspect so the
navy captain decides to tow the boat back to Ensenada to let his superiors sort out the inconsistencies. Just like we do in the USA. If there's an
idiot in this story, it's the one(s) on this board who are so arrogant that they think they are all knowing of the circumstances of this event. "Ugly
Americans" at their best! I welcome the mexican authorities that are taking the initative and enforcing their maritime/fishing laws EQUALLY all over
baja at the objections of law breaking americans and mexicans. I, as a law biding guest in the beautiful country of Mexico and I'm sure others,
welcome this new respect for the enforcement of their laws.
HH
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DENNIS
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howat......
Law enforcement is good but, don't you think this case was a bit heavy handed?
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by howat
Am I missing something here? The charter boat captain does not have the legal papers to operate the boat and other documentation is suspect so the
navy captain decides to tow the boat back to Ensenada to let his superiors sort out the inconsistencies. |
It would seem you missed the fact that the boat sank. What do you think would have happened if a skipper had towed a boat back to port to check things
out, and the boat had sunk in the process? You really think that's the SOP?
| Quote: | Originally posted by howat
If there's an idiot in this story, it's the one(s) on this board who are so arrogant that they think they are all knowing of the circumstances of this
event. "Ugly Americans" at their best! |
"idiot", "Ugly Americans" - Can't you tone it down a notch or two?
[Edited on 9-23-2007 by Roberto]
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marv sherrill
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what about the ski masks - just a little suspicious...
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