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Why is it always 9/10s?
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by stimbo
Here's the Chevron station in Lee Vining, California over the Memorial weekend. |
The "8's" are upside down. Is that a sign of the Devil?
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bancoduo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
| Quote: | Originally posted by stimbo
Here's the Chevron station in Lee Vining, California over the Memorial weekend. |
The "8's" are upside down. Is that a sign of the Devil?
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That's the India version, taught to
the illegal Mexican on the ladder.
[Edited on 5-27-2008 by bancoduo]
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stimbo
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The 8's are floating away.... soon to be replaced by 9's!
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by udowinkler
I was emphatically told all I could bring back was my fuel tank plus 5 extra gallons. Not worth the extra room the can would take up in my Prius.
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I'm hoping to set up a 4WD trip to Tecate late in June, and I'll remind everyone about this. I can 4 wheel for about the same price all day in Tecate
as I can in the San Bernardino Natl. Forest - and I live in Riverside!!
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BMG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
| Quote: | Originally posted by stimbo
Here's the Chevron station in Lee Vining, California over the Memorial weekend. |
The "8's" are upside down. Is that a sign of the Devil?
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Soon to be $6.66 
Oh, and 9/10
I think the world is run by C- students.
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stimbo
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oooh.... too funny. $6.66 a couple of months ago seemed ludicrous and unthinkable. Now however, we could be there for the 4th of July weekend.
Apparently, Satan is living high on the hog in Lee Vining.
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stimbo
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..... and Washington.
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Pompano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
I remember in some European countries diesel being way cheaper for commercial use ( farm use and trucks ) then for personal use. A color is added and
you better not get caught using it in your personal vehicle. Fine is hefty, and I mean hefty, if you get caught and a second offense will cost you
your vehicle.
I thought that this would be worth looking into in the States before commercial fuel cost has all prices spiralling out of control. A far better way
for our government to help the economy then Dubya's gift packkage. |
Vandenberg... Colored, or dyed, lower cost diesel has been around in the States for many years now. Since 2001 in an area I am familiar with, and
since 1994 in other sections of our country. This colored diesel caused quite a bit of confusion originally. It is lower in cost by about 35 cents a
gallon because there is no road tax imposed on it. First, it was colored blue-green, and lately red-marroon. It is strictly for off-road use, as the
pumps clearly state. It is enforced and checked regulary. The fines for getting caught using it for highway use are high...$1000 immediately plus
$100 a gallon for our area. Restrictions and rules vary slightly around the nation. Some areas in Texas require a sticker on the vehicle window,
limited mileage from one's residence, etc.
edit nationality
[Edited on 5-27-2008 by Pompano]
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Bob and Susan
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who checks the usage???
in california i know of now "diesel tank" check points
how would any one know what you use???
what about the trucks burning mcdonalds waste oil???
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My wife and I just return from a trip to Europe where the average gas price is over $9 per gallon after converting to from liters and euros...got our
attention. Diesel was just a few pennies less than gas. People are driving small cars along with countless scooters. Not that it makes it any
easier to accept our prices, but makes us think about where our prices are headed. For now, living in Baja half the year gives us some relief, but
the days of "cheap" fuel are gone...I think we just need to accept it.
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
I remember in some European countries diesel being way cheaper for commercial use ( farm use and trucks ) then for personal use. A color is added and
you better not get caught using it in your personal vehicle. Fine is hefty, and I mean hefty, if you get caught and a second offense will cost you
your vehicle.
I thought that this would be worth looking into in the States before commercial fuel cost has all prices spiralling out of control. A far better way
for our government to help the economy then Dubya's gift packkage. |
Vandenburg... Colored, or dyed, lower cost diesel has been around in the States for many years now. Since 2001 in an area I am familiar with, and
since 1994 in other sections of our country. This colored diesel caused quite a bit of confusion originally. It is lower in cost by about 35 cents a
gallon because there is no road tax imposed on it. First, it was colored blue-green, and lately red-marroon. It is strictly for off-road use, as the
pumps clearly state. It is enforced and checked regulary. The fines for getting caught using it for highway use are high...$1000 immediately plus
$100 a gallon for our area. Restrictions and rules vary slightly around the nation. Some areas in Texas require a sticker on the vehicle window,
limited mileage from one's residence, etc.
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Pompano,
I do know about the fuel for off road being cheaper. Was that way around Sacramento for farm use, if I remember right.
But I was thinking more along the line of our trucking industry, which could use some help with federal subsidies. Seems to me they need it more then
the farmers, some of which are getting very wealthy because of this situation.
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Pompano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
who checks the usage???
in california i know of now "diesel tank" check points
how would any one know what you use???
what about the trucks burning mcdonalds waste oil??? |
Here ya go, Bob.
In Montana and ND, the fuel tax bureau (read the US govt, DOT, IRS, etc) will test for more than just red dye diesel. Crooks are cheaters, naturally,
and will always try to beat the system. If the checkers find anything that doesn't match a specific color chart, they will send the evidence into
their fuels lab for further analysis.
So, as of today, DOT, or any law enforcement officer or govt branch, will check your tank for the "Red Colored" fuel which is "farm use" and if you
have it, they will arrest you on the spot. But as far as veggie or used oil, I don't think they have developed a law on this as of this time, since it
is still in development stage. Lots of VW rabbits on bio-fuel already, I see.
Last fall, I checked into running virgin veg oil as a harvest truck fuel, and found information on the Internet stating that for a Cat 3406B, there
were three major problems.
1. The injector pump failure rate was very high, about 3 months..running heavily.
2. Coking of the upper piston ring area
3. Coking of the exhaust valves
Maybe other diesel engines do better? Who knows? I don't think I am going to trust my Cummins on it until all the facts are in.
On using the MacDonald's fry oil: Up North, I know a couple of hi-tech brothers who have been using used fryer oil to make fuel for a couple of cars,
a truck and a tractor. The process is pretty involved and requires the use of a water heater, a couple of process tanks, a pump, a bunch of filters
and some methanol. So far the only operational down side has been that they had to replace the fuel filters a couple of times early in the use, but
after a while everything got cleaned out and seemed okay for use in last season's sugar beet harvest. They also manufacture a fuel additive that is
getting pretty popular.
Used-motor oils are another fuel source, but I don't know any particulars.
Fuel additives: With the price of diesel continuing to climb, its no wonder additives/alternatives are popping up. I have heard of using a half and
half mixture of ATF and regular fuel in an older Ford Power stroke. Some are running pure ATF with no issues. I dont know the first thing about
this..but it makes interesting reading.
All of this research, additives, recycling, etc. will become increasingly popular with the skyrocketing diesel prices.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Barry A.
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The Farm Subsidies are a disgrace and an embarrassment, IMO-----------they should be abolished-------
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vandenberg
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Right you are, Vandenburg. |
Vandenberg with an 'E' Roger. Different breed 
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Pompano
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Dutch, right?
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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BMG
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According to Goldman Sach's, oil may reach $200 a barrel sooner rather than later. When/if it does, the cost of crude would be about $4.75 a gallon.
Now you can add on refining, distribution, taxes, making retail in the $6 - $7 range.
This should make some alternative fuels profitable to research and market.
I think the world is run by C- students.
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Pompano
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Don Jorge, we need some of that 'subsidized' fuel for our wild-goose chases and rooster-runs. Wish I could bring a few tankerloads of US-Baja diesel
back north.
Perhaps the cranking up of crude oil prices by OPEC, right in the middle of the USA's election process, telegraph's their intent to deal with a
easily-influenced admininstration? Of course, the oil sheiks say it's the weakening American dollar that is causing them to raise prices. I suspect
the price at our US pumps will continue to climb as high as England's outrageous $9/gal.
Maybe I will look into raising and releasing pheasants in the Mulege Valley. Viva cazadores!
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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