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BajaGeoff
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For the second time Dennis...I had no problem with the questions. It was the comments in between the questions that rubbed me the wrong way. If you
did not sense an obtuse tone then we can agree to disagree.
Thora posted here for possible resources and help to keep her magazine moving forward, which I wholeheartedly applaud. The idea that Thora would be
"reaping the profits" from the Nomads as Kat said - is laughable.
I have only met Thora once, and I do like her magazine a lot. It is professional, well written, has a great design sense and best of all....is all
about BAJA! I would love to see it continue. Now the world knows.
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whalemeat
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I have to agree with Baja Geoff as kat 54 was rude and condecending in its comments( he or she). I also think some of the development vs the long
time Baja life lovers feedback is sad as Baja needs real tourist dollars and not american deadbeats who can not afford to be there in the first
place.The americans complaining about developments in Baja are not in their place as this is the Mexican peoples country and not theirs. Go back to
New Mexico or San Francisco and tell them what to do but stop trying to be the caretaker for Baja, Mexico as your opinion is mute.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by KAT54
So in other words you expect to charge thousands for advertising but may not survive the future.
Do you have a current printing already out on the newstands or is the PDF file your only magazine?
It seems here you are asking for posters to give you their experiences for free.
You documentation online says "help our economy in Baja" but i see on the internet you are living in Visalia Calif.
I really can not believe you are asking these fine people for pictures and experiences for free and you will reap the profits in Calif.
Do you know what a profesional writer gets for writing an article for a magazine?
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Ok, Geoff.... Point out the comments between the questions. Where and what are they?
This won't end until you clarify your statements or disappear in defeat. Your refusal to carry on will be a white flag. If I were wrong, I'd be
wavin' one but I'd have the grace to admit it.
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dtbushpilot
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I side with Baja Geoff as well. I don't have a vested interest in the issue, don't know kat 54 or Thora and have never seen the publication. There is
a definate negative and challenging tone to kat 54's questions and if I were Thora I wouldn't bother to reply. Good luck with the magazine
Thora......dt
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paula
| Quote: | Originally posted by Thora
I would like to know where those "thousands" from the developers are to be had. You bring them in and I'll be only too happy to pay what my writers
and photographers are really worth. Bless them for seeing my vision and helping me move my family to Baja so I can get my son a bilingual/bicultural
lifestyle with better community values. I can only spend so much time in Baja away from them until this magazines pays for itself. So far I have
donated thousands of my own dollars and thousands of my personal hours just to promote Baja in hopes that there will be a payoff.
Thanks for whatever positive input and ideas anyone can send me. I don't have room for "negative nancys" in my struggle to thrive.
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This is not Thora's whole post. I edited it for clarity in addressing the part that is meaningful to me.
Thora, I think you used the word "donated" here when "invested" would have been the better choice. A donation is a gift to a cause, person or
organization with no expectation of personal return. You invested in a business venture to achieve a personal goal. It matters not to me that you
are asking for volunteer contributions because I am neither a writer or a photographer, and really I wish you luck in your goal of moving to Baja, but
I have reservations about your means of getting here.
I guess I'm feeling a little touchy right now, as I entered into this thread after reading this one: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=33891. This is personal to me. Ensenada Blanca is one of my favorite places on earth. I've
passed many days enjoying the unspoiled beauty of this area. I know that local folk as well as tourists have used this beach for a long time,
spending an hour or a day or several weeks, then moving on and leaving it for those who come after. The development taking place now will change this
forever. One beach after another in this area is being lost to ordinary people, as "investors" take over. San Bruno. Nopolo. Puerto Escondido.
Ensenada Blanca. So I guess I'll just have to cast myself as one of your "negative Nancys".
This is just the way I feel. I hope not to start another tedious discussion about development vs. preservation. I really try to stay out of these
discussions, I know my views are controversial, but every now and again I just can't stay silent.
And really Thora, I hope you find a way to come live in this beautiful place-- if you can accept it as it is, and for what it is, and most of all for
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She came here advertising for writers and ads, and all you provided was editorial input. I don't think she needs an editor, she needs a worker. You
are proof that those that can, do; and those that can't, teach (or in your case run off at the mouth on Baja Nomad) 
She should run her magazine how she wants, and serve the young and middle-aged, and ignore the moldy oldy retirees on Baja Nomad.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by whalemeat
Baja needs real tourist dollars and not american deadbeats who can not afford to be there in the first place. |
Another wannabe tourist giving prescriptions to a far away land.
"There", your word, tells me you arn't here. I'll sleep well knowing that.
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Shark18
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGeoff
For the second time Dennis...I had no problem with the questions. It was the comments in between the questions that rubbed me the wrong way. If you
did not sense an obtuse tone then we can agree to disagree. |
I'm one of the posters who is guilty of posting some sarcastic comments. I looked at the Baja Lifestyle magazine that is on their website. I think
that anybody who actually lives in Baja knows that the magazine is not giving a fair and honest representation of what it is really like to live in
Baja. It is more like a slick 4-color send-up of what Baja could have been. Baja does not look like nor feel like what is portrayed in the magazine.
By the way, speaking of explanations, did anybody other than me notice that one of the contributing editors with several articles in this month's
magazine is "Doroteo Arango", which happens to be the true name of Pancho Villa? Did you also notice that the letter to the editor is from the very
same Doug Gould whose pictures are used throughout the magazine? He talks about how great Baja is because his father hurt is back and the Baja doctors
actually treated him...as if some kind of miracle had occurred.
I'm sorry, but I find that magazine extremely patronizing and an insult to my intelligence.
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Paula
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| Quote: | Originally posted by whalemeat
I have to agree with Baja Geoff as kat 54 was rude and condecending in its comments( he or she). I also think some of the development vs the long
time Baja life lovers feedback is sad as Baja needs real tourist dollars and not american deadbeats who can not afford to be there in the first
place.The americans complaining about developments in Baja are not in their place as this is the Mexican peoples country and not theirs. Go back to
New Mexico or San Francisco and tell them what to do but stop trying to be the caretaker for Baja, Mexico as your opinion is mute.
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Excuse me whalemeat, but my opinion is not mute as I just put it up here. And you seemed to have noticed it. Just to set the record straight, I am
not an American deadbeat, I can afford to be here, and put plenty of money and energy into my community. I am from Montana, not New Mexico or San
Francisco, though both are wonderful places. Although the mayor of Loreto is my friend and neighbor I would never presume to tell him how to run our
town, but I might advise him to look out for Gringos bringing their god advice on what Baja could be with a little help....
It is because of members like you that I rarely speak out on the forum anymore. But maybe you won't stick around. I have no problem with people who
don't agree with my views, but I'm fairly intolerant of rudeness, and we see more and more of it here.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
There is a definate negative and challenging tone to kat 54's questions |
What is wrong with that? There was no attack, only questions. Why are you denying Kat the right to question? Did Kat forget to show the proper
deference with the questions? If you had the same questions, how would you have stated them?
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Paula
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Hey, Dennis,
May I please borrow some sticky notes?
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whalemeat
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by whalemeat
Baja needs real tourist dollars and not american deadbeats who can not afford to be there in the first place. |
Another wannabe tourist giving prescriptions to a far away land.
"There", your word, tells me you arn't here. I'll sleep well knowing that. |
Dennis, Let me guess,retired on limited budget and squeeking by in Baja. I guess the shoe fits tight and it hurts huh.I come down and enjoy myselfin
baja but retirement will not be rationing myself to one case of tecate per week and two fish tacos a day if I am good.Sorry but I will retire where
the cops are not dirty and crimes go unpunished.Its a great place to fish and the weather is nice in the winter but thats about it. Sorry to pop your
retired in paradise balloon.
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whalemeat
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paula
| Quote: | Originally posted by whalemeat
I have to agree with Baja Geoff as kat 54 was rude and condecending in its comments( he or she). I also think some of the development vs the long
time Baja life lovers feedback is sad as Baja needs real tourist dollars and not american deadbeats who can not afford to be there in the first
place.The americans complaining about developments in Baja are not in their place as this is the Mexican peoples country and not theirs. Go back to
New Mexico or San Francisco and tell them what to do but stop trying to be the caretaker for Baja, Mexico as your opinion is mute.
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Excuse me whalemeat, but my opinion is not mute as I just put it up here. And you seemed to have noticed it. Just to set the record straight, I am
not an American deadbeat, I can afford to be here, and put plenty of money and energy into my community. I am from Montana, not New Mexico or San
Francisco, though both are wonderful places. Although the mayor of Loreto is my friend and neighbor I would never presume to tell him how to run our
town, but I might advise him to look out for Gringos bringing their god advice on what Baja could be with a little help....
It is because of members like you that I rarely speak out on the forum anymore. But maybe you won't stick around. I have no problem with people who
don't agree with my views, but I'm fairly intolerant of rudeness, and we see more and more of it here. |
It is because of members like me. Please spare us the melodramatics. If you rarely speak out it is because people are saying BS to your posts and
you dont like the feedback to your crap. This is a public forum so all posts are welcome. Even yours.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
ignore the moldy oldy retirees on Baja Nomad. |
You should be ashamed of yourself for doing your off topic regurgitation in front of this lady. She's as fine a person you will ever be in the
company of. May god help you if we ever meet.
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whalemeat
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Violence never settles anything crusty moldy.
[Edited on 9-19-2008 by whalemeat]
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Paula
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Thanks, Dennis.
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motoged
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| Quote: | Originally posted by whalemeat
Violence never settles anything crusty moldy.
[Edited on 9-19-2008 by whalemeat] |
WM,
I am not sure insulting others accomplishes much, either....except to entertain yourself.
Maybe it's a good thing you only drop by Baja for brief periods of time.
Oh....whalemeat???? Do you harvest it for "scientific research"....or just like the taste of blubber?
As a new voice here, you may not want to pee too much in your bathwater...
Don't believe everything you think....
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BajaGeoff
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You have got it all wrong Dennis. This is a forum, not a trial. There is no "right" or "wrong" no "victory" or "surrender" - just various opinions and
perspectives on a particular topic for everyone to share. I have included the dictionary definition below for your convenience.
fo·rum (fôr'um) A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.
With that, I respectfully leave this thread neither a "winner" or a "loser", but one who has shared my own opinion with the group.
Cheers!
[Edited on 9-19-2008 by BajaGeoff]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by KAT54
So in other words you expect to charge thousands for advertising but may not survive the future.
Do you have a current printing already out on the newstands or is the PDF file your only magazine?
It seems here you are asking for posters to give you their experiences for free.
You documentation online says "help our economy in Baja" but i see on the internet you are living in Visalia Calif.
I really can not believe you are asking these fine people for pictures and experiences for free and you will reap the profits in Calif.
Do you know what a profesional writer gets for writing an article for a magazine?
Are you will to pay Union Wages? |
Ok, Geoff.... Point out the comments between the questions. Where and what are they?
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As with other slow learners, I ask the question, over and over to the point it becomes a repeated redundancy. Are there too many words in the
excercise to channel your attention? Just do half them tonight and the other half tomorrow. As the old saying goes, "Single steps are inspired by
the dream of long journeys." Or something like that.
C'mon Geoff...Gimme the answers to the questions you inspired. It's the least you can do at this late hour.
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Another exploitation of Baja regardless of the truth, both sides to an issue:
"... to promote Baja in hopes that there will be a payoff." So evidently, the articles in this publication will be of the Disney variety.
whalemeat: you better do some homework before you go spouting about "Mexican" development and what it's doing to Baja CA. The abomination called
Loreto Bay was built by Canadian/Americans; the FADESA developments (Cancun devastation) are Spaniards; Trump? Local Mexican people have been run off
their land, voiced opposition to development, yet development continues without regard to the wildlife, estuaries, turtle hatching, sand dunes, water
supply, sewage pollution, etc, etc. - so many negative effects - and for what? We're not talking about affordable housing for Mexicans, are we? And
while you're at it, do your homework on the displacement and economic hardship of Mexicans after development in Puerto Vallarta and other cities in
mainland Mexico. Ruined beach towns for the sake of f___ing golf courses and hotels and condos - for whom? So what is this nonsense about Mexico for
Mexicans by Mexicans BS? Looks like norteamericanos are taking what they want in ignorance and/or in spite of the fact that these very places used to
be home and playground for Mexicans in their own country. And you better believe that somebody besides Mexicans need to be caretakers of Baja CA,
because the past 10 years of destructive activity by Mexicans speaks for itself. In fact, it's the norteamericano environmental and charitable
organizations' dollars and involvement that have done the most good and been most effective in awareness and preservation regarding ecological issues.
What doesn't seem to change is the pursuit of the exploitation of Baja CA for selfish gain, and there will always be the other force - the pursuit of
leaving Baja CA in it's natural state which is the highest and best use of a peninsula so unique in its biodiversity (quickly declining and covered by
condos and golf courses), which is enjoyed and has been enjoyed by even more people than the condo owners. My interest in Baja is just as valid, and
more important than the "Baja lifestyle" *whatever that is) promotors - I want the treasures of Baja CA to endure for future generations of Mexicans,
and at the same time, I get what I want - an unspoiled Baja. The Baja "lifestyle" packaged as a condo on the beach with a sunset in the background
and a margarita in hand can be enjoyed by a camper - who doesn't harm one single thing on the peninsula.
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Thora
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Before I sign off for the last time, here is some food for thought.
My family and my tribe in the US and Mexico are involved in raising money for local parks, coordinating volunteers to plant trees and beautify
blighted areas, and are offering the magazine as a platform for environmental groups to publicize their projects and solicit donations. We are
environmentalists, engineers, architects, artists, nonconformists, mothers, fathers and children of the earth.
We have more than 1,000 acres in Punta Colonet set aside for a new colony of forward thinking people to develop an off-the-grid, self-contained, green
community to be a model for the world. We have another 200 acres for a nature preserve. We will be overseeing, monitoring and advising the government
and developers through environmental groups, during the development of the recently announced port project, in hopes of preventing disastrous
consequences to the area. This is, admittedly, a daunting effort, considering the environmental consciousness displayed by both corporations and the
government in Baja to date. But we care to take a stand and do what we can.
We have been involved in rescuing horses, dogs and in bringing the condor back to San Pedro de Martir. We have raised money for kids, parks, the
environment and the arts in the United States and Mexico and have organized cultural events and children’s art projects from California to the Aztec
ruins at Teotihuacan.
We are Mexicans, Americans Canadians, Indigenous, men, women and children. We care about what happens to Baja more than anyone!
What are you doing to help Baja’s future?
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