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BajaGringo
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No doubt Barry, that is good advice when faced with such circumstances. Here in the forum at least we have the freedom to discuss them "after the
fact" and hopefully without fear of reprisals...
My son-in-law is Hispanic and has been in law enforcement his entire career since college. When returning a few weeks ago after spending some time
with us in San Quintin he and my daughter were being treated a bit rude by the agent at the border until "something" came up on the agent's screen
telling him that the driver of the vehicle was in law enforcement. The agent immediately acknowledged that fact, apologized and waved them through.
That alone tells me that they make a conscious decision at times to be a horses ass...
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There was the one guard back in 1997 who thought he was a doctor. He literally reached into the window of my truck, grabbed my wrist, and asked if I
always had high blood pressure.
I calmly told him, no it was low, and by the way you can' tell blood pressure by taking someone's pulse. He then asked if we had any drugs, and I said yes, aspirin, antihistamines, tums……We got sent to secondary.
The dusty truck, surfboards, and a week’s growth of stubble probably profiled us more than anything.
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
You are right about that tigerdog - I have noticed that the majority of those who have given me a problem are the younger ones and that was the case
this day as well. The second guy who showed up was older and tried to convince him but the younger officer was convinced there was something wrong
with a Gringo driving a Baja plated vehicle in the US and would not listen to the other officer, who even rolled his eyes in disbelief that the guy
was getting this serious about the whole deal. I didn't mention that he had me out of my car, took my keys, frisked me and went through my entire
vehicle.
I was stopped by another officer ten minutes before and once I rolled down my window and we talked he just waved me on. Some of these guys just need a
bigger dose of maturity/common sense... |
It's your last sentence as to why IMHO, we need the triple fence. When personal judgement is involved in a non-secure area, mistakes can and will be
made by both sides.
People pass notes and kiss their children while others pass drugs and forged documents. Some people come to visit the park, while others come as
coyotes. And if someone, even a bad guy gets shot and killed, the Border Patrol goes to jail untilt he President commutes his sentence. The fence
just gets rid of the uncertainty since dead drug dealers apparently have more legal rights than the people we trust to protect the border.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
There was the one guard back in 1997 who thought he was a doctor. He literally reached into the window of my truck, grabbed my wrist, and asked if I
always had high blood pressure.
I calmly told him, no it was low, and by the way you can' tell blood pressure by taking someone's pulse. He then asked if we had any drugs, and I said yes, aspirin, antihistamines, tums……We got sent to secondary.
The dusty truck, surfboards, and a week’s growth of stubble probably profiled us more than anything. |
I have a surfer buddy who borrowed a friends shirt while on a night out drinking in TJ some twenty something years ago. When he crossed back- they
found a marijuana joint in his shirt pocket. He said "If I had known it was there I would have smoked it- not brought it back into the country."
They ticketed and fined him anyway. He says they still ask him about it sometimes when he crosses- so the ICE computer has a long memory.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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I have to wonder just who in the heck is trying to cross the border illegally these days. What with the economy in the tank. Can't seriously be people
looking for jobs? The drug smugglers have means other than to be running across the desert. The seems to leave only folks with family. Triple fences?
I'd vote for tearing them all down. Y'all know there will be another amnesty. And all the anti-immigration pundits will say that a new amnesty will
only embolden more people to cross illegally. Should we be proud that ultimately our border with our friends in Mexico will only be rivaled by the
demarcation between Gaza and Israel? When's the last time a Mexican lobbed a rocket at us?
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
No doubt Barry, that is good advice when faced with such circumstances. Here in the forum at least we have the freedom to discuss them "after the
fact" and hopefully without fear of reprisals...
My son-in-law is Hispanic and has been in law enforcement his entire career since college. When returning a few weeks ago after spending some time
with us in San Quintin he and my daughter were being treated a bit rude by the agent at the border until "something" came up on the agent's screen
telling him that the driver of the vehicle was in law enforcement. The agent immediately acknowledged that fact, apologized and waved them through.
That alone tells me that they make a conscious decision at times to be a horses burro... |
Interesting. "That alone tells me" that the BP guy now realized that the guy in his focus was a fellow LE person, and probably not a crook, or
smuggler, etc. He then extended professional curtesy and waved him on-----happens all the time if they believe you-----if not, then the creds. do no
good at all. That is what the Nation pays these guys to do-----make professional judgements based on their training and experience-----the more of
each the better decisions, usually, but not always.
Like I said before---it just depends on your perspective and attitude------to each his own.
I will continue to treat ALL law enforcement folks with respect until they do something illegal.
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I have to wonder just who in the heck is trying to cross the border illegally these days. What with the economy in the tank. Can't seriously be people
looking for jobs? The drug smugglers have means other than to be running across the desert. The seems to leave only folks with family. Triple fences?
I'd vote for tearing them all down. Y'all know there will be another amnesty. And all the anti-immigration pundits will say that a new amnesty will
only embolden more people to cross illegally. Should we be proud that ultimately our border with our friends in Mexico will only be rivaled by the
demarcation between Gaza and Israel? When's the last time a Mexican lobbed a rocket at us? |
They throw rocks all day long across the border fence in TJ that are big enough to kill and have caused serrous injury to ICE. Do you define a rocket
by its method of propellance (is that a word??) or by potential to do damage?
There's no amnesty coming either this time. Americans are becoming more protectionist- especially with millions more to lose their jobs this year.
Too many people from too many countries have been waiting in the correct immigration line for too long (including my family) to reward the people who
enter illegally and try to cut the line. I have illegal family members stateside with legal children- I love them but don't support what they did.
But cut the line is what some mexicans do best at every opportunity. The rules aply to everyone but them. You see it everywhere. They'll have the
last number for service at the Palacio and then just walk up to the next available counter person. They'll make extra driving lanes or just drive down
the breakdown lane while everyone else waits at a standstill. Then they wedge themselves in front- just to get fifty cars ahead. I have never in my
life seen that in the USA or any other country. Ever. I see it here every single day. The rules apply to everyone but them- and their children in
the back seat (and every car they scream past) watch and learn- and grow up like that too.
Nope- It's time for a change- fair immigration but no amnesty.
[Edited on 1-20-2009 by Woooosh]
[Edited on 1-20-2009 by Woooosh]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Do you define a rocket by its method of propellance (is that a word??) |
Propellant............You asked.
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BajaGringo
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I think that to compare the rock throwing across the border fence to rockets is a stretch. Not saying that I would want to be on the receiving end of
a rock but if I were to choose there would be no contest. How many CBP have been killed by border crossing rocks vs those killed by rocket attacks
from Gaza???
I think we need to keep things in balance...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
I think that to compare the rock throwing across the border fence to rockets is a stretch. Not saying that I would want to be on the receiving end of
a rock but if I were to choose there would be no contest. How many CBP have been killed by border crossing rocks vs those killed by rocket attacks
from Gaza???
I think we need to keep things in balance... |
I see little difference except availability. Even the words, Rock/Rocket, are similar and have the same intent. Do you think, Ron, that if the rock
throwers in TJ had rockets at their disposal, they wouldn't freely use them? I believe they would.
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You are probably right on that one Dennis.
You mean with all the weapons coming south across the border they can't get their hands on a decent rocket launcher? I would think it would be easier
to get one in TJ than in Gaza???
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
You mean with all the weapons coming south across the border they can't get their hands on a decent rocket launcher? I would think it would be easier
to get one in TJ than in Gaza??? |
Probably so, especially with a wartime military base just up the road.
Actually, I don't think the rock throwers are an organized group for the most part. I think they're just plain and simple scum with nothing else to
do except perform government sanctioned mayhem.
I've said it before...the fence should be back a quarter mile and anybody near it should be treated as illegal. Shame on us if they cross it.
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The sad thing Dennis is that we are spending all this money today on the southern fence yet we have hundreds and hundreds of miles of border with
Canada with nothing more than signs with 800 numbers to call if witnessing someone cross illegally.
If I was a coyote I would just march the folks down, get their passports and fly them to Canada. First class. Canada welcomes Mexicans. Then I would
just fly/drive them to the border somewhere around the northern mid-western states and wish them well. I would even give them volume discounts for
entire families it would be so easy.
I think CBS did a story a year ago where they filmed traffickers bringing in drugs that very way. I really am not convinced the reason we are fencing
up the southern border is about keeping the US secure.
But what do I know...
One of these days I am going to learn to type
[Edited on 1-20-2009 by BajaGringo]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
I really am not convinced the reason we are fencing up the southern border is about keeping the US secure.
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I couldn't agree more. But, what do we do? Toss up our hands in desperation and let the world [in this case Mexico] have their way with us?
Fences won't work. Law enforcement won't work. Demanding [ shame it comes to that ] respect won't work. Open borders with such wide rangeing
economic disparity won't work.
If we can't find the answer, we have nothing left to do but throw away our flag. Who is willing to do that? Not me.
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Dennis- I know I'll get a great deal of flak here but I'm not sure that open border wouldn't work. Especially in a time where our economy has declined
so much. The European Union has twenty eight countries that speak many different languages. No visa is required to travel among them. And I still get
ruffled about the disparity between our treatment of the Northern Border and the Southern one. It is difficult to accurately estimate the true numbers
but there are at least 120,000 illegal Canadians in the U.S. at any given time; probably many more. Light skin, fluent English and mostly Anglo-Saxon
names allow them to virtually go undetected.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
It is difficult to accurately estimate the true numbers but there are at least 120,000 illegal Canadians in the U.S. at any given time; probably many
more. Light skin, fluent English and mostly Anglo-Saxon names allow them to virtually go undetected. |
That's why the new administration is going to study the viability of a dye-bath for Canadians traveling south. Pink has been proposed.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Dennis- I know I'll get a great deal of flak here but I'm not sure that open border wouldn't work. Especially in a time where our economy has declined
so much. The European Union has twenty eight countries that speak many different languages. No visa is required to travel among them. And I still get
ruffled about the disparity between our treatment of the Northern Border and the Southern one. It is difficult to accurately estimate the true numbers
but there are at least 120,000 illegal Canadians in the U.S. at any given time; probably many more. Light skin, fluent English and mostly Anglo-Saxon
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a couple years ago i was on a construction site when la migra showed up and fanned out across the site. after awhile i climbed of the roof to move to
the next house and an ice guy walked around the corner. he asked me where i was born and after a short HAA!!! the first sounds that left my lips were,
"what? do i sound canadian or something????"
he didn't get it.
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