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comitan
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The male death rates in 1918 far exceed the female death rates among adults. One of the most unusual aspects of the Spanish flu was its ability to
kill young adults. The reasons for this remain uncertain. In general the rate of death is highest for the very young and older persons. The 1918
pandemic followed a strikingly different pattern, with the highest mortality in young persons 25-30 years old. With the Spanish flu, mortality rates
were high among healthy adults as well as the usual high-risk groups. The attack rate and mortality was highest among adults 20 to 50 years old. The
severity of that virus has not been seen again in humans.
The reasons for this difference are still poorly understood. It is believed that a subset of victims experienced a primary viral pneumonia which
caused a very rapid clinical decline and death. It is widely belived that cytokine storming [Immune-complexes-mediated pathogenesis] could be one of
the mechanisms that resulted in damaging the lung tissue. Normally, when the lungs are under attack from a virus, T-cells, defenders from the immune
system, are then sent to the site of the infection. The presence of T-cells initiate a second immune system attack by chemicals, known as cytokines,
that cause inflammation. A cytokine is a small protein released by cells that has a specific effect on the interactions between cells, on
communications between cells or on the behavior of cells. The cytokines includes the interleukins, lymphokines and cell signal molecules, such as the
interferons, which trigger inflammation and respond to infections. When the lungs are infected with the flu virus, the T cells release chemical
signals that cause them to stay longer in the lungs. The systemic symptoms of seasonal flu are caused by cytokine release, which is part of the human
immune response.
A Cytokine storm [a systemic inflammatory response syndrome] — immune system “friendly fire” — is believed to be the underlying reason for the
high death rate among young adults. It results when too many immune cells are in an endless loop of calling even more cytokines. During the flu
infection the immune system has an “all hands on deck” attitude to the viral assault. More T cells are always arriving, and they in turn release more
signal and stay longer, leading to a build up of T cells and chemical signals. The exaggerated immune response produces inflammatory molecules that
lead to too many cells clogging up the airways and preventing efficient transfer of oxygen into the bloodstream. This Acute Respiratory Distress
Syndrome [ARDS] is what makes the Cytokine storm so deadly in pandemic flu. It is suggested that the high death rate among healthy young adults was
due to their strong immune systems producing a cytokine storm. The very young and very old would have had weaker immune systems, and thus weaker
immune responses that would not result in a cytokine storm.
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Dave
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The initial reports out of Mexico had an estimated 1000 infections with 60 deaths. That's a 6% mortality rate. The 1918 pandemic rate was 2.8%.
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Dave, That's an eye-opener! Thanks for putting things into perspective.
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Had a ham sandwich for lunch. Last one for a while.
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Mexico's swine flu toll rises to 86
Health News
Apr 26, 2009, 19:02 GMT
Mexico City
Mexico City - The number of people who have died of a new flu virus in Mexico rose by five to 86 Sunday, officials in the capital Mexico City said.
Twenty cases of the deadly swine flu have already been confirmed, while over 1,300 people have been admitted to hospitals for tests.
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Bajahowodd
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It is so strangely weird that international health officials have confirmed that it is the same strain of virus, yet zero deaths in the US, (in fact
reports of mild symptoms), and 86 deaths in Mexico.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
It is so strangely weird that international health officials have confirmed that it is the same strain of virus, yet zero deaths in the US, (in fact
reports of mild symptoms), and 86 deaths in Mexico. |
They have confirmed that it is swine flu but not that it is the same strain or some new, more virulent strain, in Mexico.
It all seems to come from Mexico City.
Check out what the crazies are saying - beta version of new bioterror weapon ....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
The initial reports out of Mexico had an estimated 1000 infections with 60 deaths. That's a 6% mortality rate. The 1918 pandemic rate was 2.8%.
Have a nice day. |
Trusting health stats from Mexico is like trusting police statistics from Mexico.
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100% Chance of Fear Pandemic
The only thing we know for certain is that the media will bloat the risk of swine flu totally out of proportion to boast reader/viewership, and that
some company will find a way to make money off people's irrational fears. Here's comments from 3 years ago about Avian flu that could just as easily
be written today.
"Your chances of winning the lottery are about one in 14 million. Your chances of catching bird flu are more like one in 100 million."
"If Americans are afraid of avian flu now, imagine what will happen if a single scrawny, flu-ridden migratory bird somehow manages to reach our
shores. This is how fear works, how the fear epidemic - as opposed to a flu pandemic - spreads. Fear is supposed to be our warning system against
imminent dangers, but as a deep-rooted emotion, it interferes with our ability to make sound judgments. And if anything is contagious right now, it's
judgment clouded by fear. Immediate government overreaction creates this cycle of fear: The public reacts and calls for action. Health officials,
hearing the public and media cries, look to quiet these generated fears with knee-jerk health policy (such as stockpiling a product with a relatively
short shelf life: Both Tamiflu and bird flu vaccines are perishable and will have to be discarded if not used in three years)."
It makes no sense to make dramatic changes based on the news so far.
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Next, we'll hear that Osama Bin Laden is behind this. Seems, according to news reports, that Mexico City is in a panic. But on a worldwide basis, is
appears that this is a very mild flu. Of course, if you actually get , you won't agree.
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The number of deaths reported as being caused by the "new virus" are actually deaths due to respiratory infection that appear to be flu related. These
are not confirmed cases of swine flu.
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Muchas gracias.
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I am seeing that the deaths were of otherwise healthy adults between 25 and 45 years old. Usually the flu virus affects the youngest and oldest
persons but this one isn't doing the same.
This makes me think there may be a hormonal connection involved. And I do not think Tamiflu focuses on a hormonal solution to kill this virus.
I agree with roger about the pandemic fear levels rising. My pandemic fear level is about to rise because I realize that if DF shuts down, so does
all of Mexico. Absolutely everything is done through DF, everything. Even our mail goes to DF first them gets distributed throughtout the country.
Decentralization of government and beaurocracy is a different concept here and I have made the connection a long time ago that eventually it will hurt
the country. This may be the example now.
Now that the health care workers and the rich and well-connected have their false sense of security with those Tamiflu injections.....
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Here's a link to a Google tracker of all swine flu cases worldwide. Can't get the link to work, but it will work if you cut and paste the url into
your browser.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=p&...
[Edited on 4-27-2009 by DanO]
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No school was just announced nationwide until may6 or whenever.
Happy cinco de mayo.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30434921/
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Veratect, a company that does disease tracking for the CDC and WHO, has put up a twitter feed providing updates on swine flu cases.
http://twitter.com/Veratect
They also have a timeline that indicates that the disease may have originated on a factory hog farm in mainland Mexico.
http://biosurveillance.typepad.com/biosurveillance/2009/04/s...
Granjas Carroll, the operator of the farm, is a subsidiary of U.S. agribusiness firm Smithfield Foods.
http://www.smithfieldfoods.com/our_company/our_family/Granja...
Isn't the Internet wonderful?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DanO
Here's a link to a Google tracker of all swine flu cases worldwide. Can't get the link to work, but it will work if you cut and paste the url into
your browser.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=p&...
[Edited on 4-27-2009 by DanO] |
Interesting that so many are "Suspect" verses the number "Confirmed"
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yeah I just found out when we went to get the kids from school.
I have one happy 6 year old boy who now knows he can fish off the pier every morning now!
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I have heard and read that today too- but plenty of school children in uniform walking around TJ and Rosarito Beach.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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