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Bajahowodd
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I'll settle for something in between, but much closer to Lou. Starbucks owes it's development to climates with clouds and rain. People tend to be more
depressed in cloudy, rainy climates. So, try some caffeine.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dr. Frasier Crane
" People tend to be more depressed in cloudy, rainy climates. So, try some caffeine."
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I'll settle for something in between, but much closer to Lou. Starbucks owes it's development to climates with clouds and rain. People tend to be more
depressed in cloudy, rainy climates. So, try some caffeine. |
Tequila works better for me. However, since being a depressant, it's essential to not give the depressed feeling, usual showing after the buzz wears
off, a fighting chance, maintain a reasonable, steady intake.
Talk about a highjack.
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BajaNuts
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I hate to ruin this wonderful hijack by getting back on topic, but...
In reference to "not taking jobs away from Mexican and not doing what a Mexican can do", how does that apply to a skilled trade like an electrician?
I've seen the way houses are wired in Mexico, and the way we wire houses is significntly better than what I've seen, even in new construction.
Would we be in trouble if we opened a business, or did electrical work on new construction,using US standards? Putting it bluntly, our work would be
much better than the work done by local electricians.
Just one example of what I've seen is- in a brand new house, the electrical panel was in a closet with the water heater in front of the panel so you
couldn't even open the panel door to get to the breakers. And the panel cover only had half the scews holding it on because the water tank blocked
access to the other screw holes.
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNuts
Just one example of what I've seen is- in a brand new house, the electrical panel was in a closet with the water heater in front of the panel so you
couldn't even open the panel door to get to the breakers. And the panel cover only had half the scews holding it on because the water tank blocked
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Minor details ,my good man.
Most so called electricians/plumbers ( wonderful combination btw ) are mainly jacks of all trades to whom more complicated tasks are a mystery. But
somehow the tasks get done. Maybe not to our specs, but somehow everything works.
Don't ask me ( or them ) how, because an understandable answer is not likely to be forthcoming.
But, like Roberta stated in another thread, that makes for " never a dull moment"
[Edited on 5-6-2009 by vandenberg]
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Dave
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Two ways to wire up
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNuts
In reference to "not taking jobs away from Mexican and not doing what a Mexican can do", how does that apply to a skilled trade like an electrician?
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You could get hired by an electrician. You would need a fm/3 and a work permit. Or....You could form a corporation that would have as one of its
descriptors the proviso that you may work as an electrician. You would still need an fm/3 with a work permit.
Speaking of weird wiring:
I once was asked to trace a problem for a neighbor. His box was sheetrocked over. The box was covered with rock and textured.
Simply amazing
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNuts
In reference to "not taking jobs away from Mexican and not doing what a Mexican can do", how does that apply to a skilled trade like an electrician?
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You could get hired by an electrician. You would need a fm/3 and a work permit. Or....You could form a corporation that would have as one of its
descriptors the proviso that you may work as an electrician. You would still need an fm/3 with a work permit.
Speaking of weird wiring:
I once was asked to trace a problem for a neighbor. His box was sheetrocked over. The box was covered with rock and textured.
Simply amazing |
Dave thats not right.
The business owner or legal representative of the RFC (registered federal corporation) would hire the prospective employee (leslie) and as they begin
to work, the legal representative or authorized representative he/she writes a letter of sponsorship naming the employee and goes to Inmigaccion to
open a file in the name of the employee with documentation and list that name in the folio of the RFC. This can happen in as little as one day and
does often. Nowadays, a person of trust, that is the busines owner may simply send a packet of docs with a representative to the Inmigraccion in order
to initiate the FM-3. Today all docs are stored on site by Inmigraccion and the process is much easier if your RFC has completed its documentation
this year.
For an extranjero electrician or handyman contractor you can alternatively go to Inmigaccion and request a handyman/contractor work permit without
being the legal representative of any RFC or being of a member of any RFC (corporation). This is relatively new and quite simple.
If you want to you can also start your own RFC which specifies your activities (or all possible activities) though it is a longer process and requires
a series of steps that take a little time, effort and money. Even with a corp you need a partner, and if your role is the administer unico (boss)
technically you shouldn't also be the primary worker though this can be allowed.
If you haven't had recent experience this year, you will find that its both more difficult to have a RFC (corp) and yet easier to get a work FM-3
under existing corp with new guidelines. More streamlined.
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vandenberg
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How would you like your bedroom lightswitch inside the closet.
They hooked the 220V plug to the stove up the wrong way, with the one hot going to the neutral.
The stove, with a large overhead microwave, a mere $1100.00 value, was ruined when plugged in, since the faulty wiring fried all the controls, which
should have 110V only.
Now a nice storage compartment, since no one to be found who had the slightest idea how to begin to fix it.
Oh well, only money.
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
For an extranjero electrician or handyman contractor you can alternatively go to Inmigaccion and request a handyman/contractor work permit without
being the legal representative of any RFC or being of a member of any RFC (corporation). This is relatively new and quite simple.
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I hadn't heard of this.
You're telling me that a gringo can get a work permit without being hired or forming a corporation. Migra would do this?
Doesn't sound plausible. Know someone who has done it?
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BajaNuts
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We've lost many outlet or light boxes behind sheetrock, but NEVER a whole panel! WOW!
We are thinking along the lines of hooking up with a builder who does high-end homes. That's what we do up here. I suppose they could be the
"sponsor" or we can go the corporation. Have to do a corp anyway for property.
It's that whole issue of taking work away from locals. But if they can't do the work like we can, theoretically we should be OK. 'Course, finding a
high end builder willing to pay NOB prices for NOB work......
That might be asking for a miracle...............
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Doesn't sound plausible. Know someone who has done it? |
Dave, there are many things possible that you may have no idea of simply because you do not have the desire or experience quite obviously, so why not
hold off and offer input where you do have experience and knowledge, instead of spinning wheels and blowing smoke, as always.
For anyone who has interest in working, its always a scenario of the chicken before egg, how does one start? Simply begin asking polite questions and
try to avoid listening to gringos with no experience who are of little help. The truth is, in Mexico everything is possible with a little persistence
and patience and its fun too.
p.s. Dave, When seeking guidance from INM it helps to be really nice. From my experience with you I imagine for you the answer is always no, while for
others its yes, understandably.
[Edited on 5-6-2009 by gnukid]
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Dave
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Right...no clue
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Dave, there are many things possible that you may have no idea of simply because you do not have the desire or experience quite obviously, so
why not hold off and offer input where you do have experience and knowledge, instead of spinning wheels and blowing smoke, as always.
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I'd forgotten what a idiot you are. Thanks for the reminder.
I asked if you had personal knowledge of any gringo who got a work permit that wasn't tied to a specific business or corporation. As usual,
you answer with gibberish.
Can another Nomad answer the question?
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gnukid
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Its like this Dave, Some people learn how to get along and some do not. INM laws change often and are interpreted differently at different offices.
I'll make this as clear as possible. If you were a nice person which you are not, I would help you and INM would help you. Currently the options exist
which I described, why else would I describe them in detail?
Your experience would be vastly different based on your projected attitude. Like most gov offices, they do not like jerks with bad attitude like
yourself so presumably they will not be kind in processing a request to get a contractors visa for you and will not offer advice or info, which makes
sense to me. Nobody wants a jerk around.
By the way, in the INM is a book where notes are kept about who is a jerk and who is not. Just like here on BN, the agents, lawyers and delgados talk
about the applicants. Your name will be certainly listed as a well known jerk and you would have a generally unpleasant time trying to get a work visa
whereas likely Leslie and I would have an easy time.
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Bajajack
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Yep, a little flattery along with a good BS line and a handful of pesos will get you anything.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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gnukid
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Harkening back to our discussion about rude people and jerks, it should come as no surprise that the actual number of extranjeros living and working
in Baja are far less than one would imagine, the number of actual working visas given is in the tens of thousands at most.
I am only mentioning this in case its of help to realize that in Baja the community of working extranjeros is a small number. The agency has a job to
do which is to proces papers but also to identify people who are problematic or a negative influence, those who work without a visa as well as to
monitor those who do have visas and see if they are in fact performing services they are authorized to. in addition agents from the hacienda visit
gringos houses and offices to see if they are working more than they are declaring in their monthly declarations.
So, it shouldn't come as a surprise that each of you ho live here are far more well known than you might think. Your behavior affects how you are
treated and how you will be treated in the case of tramites and legal issues.
I mention this only to remind you that when you burn bridges, they are not easily rebuilt.
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
Yep, a little flattery along with a good BS line and a handful of pesos will get you anything. |
True and a good sense of humor goes a long way. Have fun with it.
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gnukid
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For me at least many of the agents are actually really nice people that help. I like most of them enough to want to be together often, they are
people I enjoy being friends with, and, well you get the idea. So, when you are jerk here to Nomads or Mexicanos it is not something to take lightly.
They talk about the jerky personalities all the way to DF, they remember when you are a jerk. So don't be a jerk Dave.
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805gregg
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The one thing you might do, with no experience, is house sit.
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sourdough
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Another option
I know a young man from Canada who splits his time between Baja and home. He is very personable and has made a lot of friends (both Gringo & Mex)
in a short time. Now he house-sits, drives and maintains local vehicles, and jumps on any opportunity to go fishing with local boat owners. Six
months here and then back to Canada to a job and pleasant weather. He seems to really enjoy that lifestyle.
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
When you are jerk here to Nomads or Mexicanos it is not something to take lightly. They talk about the jerky personalities all the way to DF, they
remember when you are a jerk. So don't be a jerk Dave. |
Slang. a contemptibly naive, fatuous, foolish, or inconsequential person.
Gnu,
You must be very familiar with the word jerk. You sure use it often enough.
I've been called a jerk before and really don't fit the profile, I don't think.
But, of course, other folks might have different opinions.
There have been times I thought you definitely fit the description/definition.
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