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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by norte
Makin a list, checkin it twice
La migra is comin to town~! |
yawn 
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Bajajack
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Viva La Migra.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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flyfishinPam
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Viva Zapata
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oxxo
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Viva another bowl of popcorn! 
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Al G
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Location: Todos Santos/Full time for now...
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I was set to rag on "norte" after reading his last 20-30 posts, but you people took it out of me...
DK is the focus of his hostility...I know not why
I thought he was a narco gathering info.... stupid me.
My guess:
A Mexican citizen defending his country...
Young
His experience here will be of great value...
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
Nahhh...no honesty issues here. I am being honest about the reality of the situation here. Glad I'm not self righteous. |
Yes the reality is rampant corruption and lying ....
Not Acceptable
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Dave
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No...Perfecty acceptable
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
Yes the reality is rampant corruption and lying ....
Not Acceptable |
That's why it's rampant.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
Yes the reality is rampant corruption and lying ....
Not Acceptable |
That's why it's rampant. |
We should blame the Spanish for bringing their corrupt systems to Mexico... Mexicans are only guilty of being too lazy to create their own legitimate
ones.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
Yes the reality is rampant corruption and lying ....
Not Acceptable |
That's why it's rampant. |
We should blame the Spanish for bringing their corrupt systems to Mexico... Mexicans are only guilty of being too lazy to create their own legitimate
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Al G
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Ron... don't be so happy here...There is no real answer. the best I have heard is Pam's and that is not going to happen...
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by danaeb
So the fun time has moved from offi-topic to this forum. Can we set up a discussion thread - the "I hate Mexico and Mexicans" discussion group?
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I can nominate two frequent "contributors" to be the moderators of that new section of the board.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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As rampant as corruption is...it IS changing. The problem IS being addressed. Change comes slow (without public hangings that is). But things are
moving forward poco a poco. There IS light at the end of the tunnel.
I totally understand Pam's feelings on this. It really does drive one to distraction. It is so overwhelming at times and so foreign to us northerners
because it goes against the grain of our "moral fibre". It makes us crazy and ya wanna scream...It has made me so upset so many times that now I try
to take a few deep breaths, remind myself that it is the price of doing business and living in this beautiful place. Worth it in my opinion once you
get your shorts out of the knot.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
As rampant as corruption is...it IS changing. The problem IS being addressed. Change comes slow (without public hangings that is). But things are
moving forward poco a poco. There IS light at the end of the tunnel.
I totally understand Pam's feelings on this. It really does drive one to distraction. It is so overwhelming at times and so foreign to us northerners
because it goes against the grain of our "moral fibre". It makes us crazy and ya wanna scream...It has made me so upset so many times that now I try
to take a few deep breaths, remind myself that it is the price of doing business and living in this beautiful place. Worth it in my opinion once you
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All Mexico needs is a plan and the will to follow it. Mexico is NOT a poor country, it is rich in natural resources but fails to distribute the
wealth becasue the "kings" are in control. The "Kings" like things the way they are in Mexico. There are Kings in gov't, business world, the
Military and of-course in the Narco world. Until you can seperate the wealth of Mexico from the King's control- there can be no change.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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gnukid
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When I call out corruption to their faces, they don't flinch, hardly a smirk. That's why contrary to some posters impressions the thieves don't react
when you call them out, they acknowledge who and what they are.
(This is of course contrary to the idea that we should be intimidated and in fear of being murdered as DK, Dave and Dennis professed unapologetically
recently. You guys should ashamed, you are complicit in spreading intimidation and you still own me and everyone an apology.)
I have a good way to deal with it, call them out on it, politely, the cops, the hacienda, everyone, but nicely. Then I begin a slowly building
diatribe about the example to children, the cost to families and seniors especially, how it hurts teachers of children, fisherman, the cost of food to
families, that the mirror of corruption from top to bottom permeates the community and spreads like a disease. That corruption is like cement that
holds back the young from a better future, that corruption and the rats who rob the good people of Mexico break down all possibilities for a better
future for all children. That each rata that is complicit, by example, teaches another child to repeat the behavior robbing not only the person paying
mordida but robs each child and family from a chance to be something better.
If you continue this line they usually start crying and eventually give in. Try it. It wokrs everytime and you'll never pay mordida again. If you get
good at it, they collapse in seconds.
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Dave
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Not from my perspective
| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
As rampant as corruption is...it IS changing. The problem IS being addressed. Change comes slow (without public hangings that is). But things are
moving forward poco a poco. There IS light at the end of the tunnel.
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Rosarito brought in federal troops and AFI because the police were totally corrupt. Now, the Army and AFI are lining their pockets. The local
police are understandably peeed and taking it out on the local populace. Nothing has changed except perception.
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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I'm referring to the whole shebang...not just police. A good example here is our fisheries officer...no way jose anyone could bribe him..he is an
honest, straight up guy which is really refreshing and makes it easy and clear to deal with him. I am seeing more responsible, intelligent, honest
officials in a variety of positions and the government is making it easier to make a complaint and report corruption...and they are acting on
complaints. At least here in the Sur...there seems to be more accountabliity these days....or am I just being optomistic.
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bajalou
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
All Mexico needs is a plan and the will to follow it. Mexico is NOT a poor country, it is rich in natural resources but fails to distribute the
wealth because the "kings" are in control. The "Kings" like things the way they are in Mexico. There are Kings in gov't, business world, the
Military and of-course in the Narco world. Until you can separate the wealth of Mexico from the King's control- there can be no change.
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You could very easily substitute "US of A" for "Mexico".
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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And in the San Felipe area - check out Valle Chico area |
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
When I call out corruption to their faces, they don't flinch, hardly a smirk. That's why contrary to some posters impressions the thieves don't react
when you call them out, they acknowledge who and what they are.
(This is of course contrary to the idea that we should be intimidated and in fear of being murdered as DK, Dave and Dennis professed unapologetically
recently. You guys should ashamed, you are complicit in spreading intimidation and you still own me and everyone an apology.)
I have a good way to deal with it, call them out on it, politely, the cops, the hacienda, everyone, but nicely. Then I begin a slowly building
diatribe about the example to children, the cost to families and seniors especially, how it hurts teachers of children, fisherman, the cost of food to
families, that the mirror of corruption from top to bottom permeates the community and spreads like a disease. That corruption is like cement that
holds back the young from a better future, that corruption and the rats who rob the good people of Mexico break down all possibilities for a better
future for all children. That each rata that is complicit, by example, teaches another child to repeat the behavior robbing not only the person paying
mordida but robs each child and family from a chance to be something better.
If you continue this line they usually start crying and eventually give in. Try it. It wokrs everytime and you'll never pay mordida again. If you get
good at it, they collapse in seconds. |
Great post. But what if corruption it is the only system they have ever known since birth? You can't change peoples actions or values when they are
socially deprived or even morally bankrupt to some extent.
American's "sense of decency" (an Obama term) comes from centuries of our fathers and grandfathers doing the right thing and fighting the good fights
for the mostpart. It's what makes America the envy/whipping boy of the world at the same time. Mexicans simply don't have that point of reference yet,
and until they do- they are unlikely to change or even think about changing.
One example is car insurance. Very few Mexicans buy it- if there is an accident they count of Mordidas and street-negotiations to resolve the problem.
Sure they could buy insurance- but they trust the mordida system since it's what they know and have grown up with. I recently demanded my nephew to
buy at least liability insurance for the used truck we loaned him the money to buy. He looked at me like I was nuts. I asked his friends and three
neighbors if they had insurance and they all said no. I sent him out looking for quotes and rates anyway- and he came back empty handed. Something
that basic shouldn't be that hard to buy- but for some reason it is for Mexicans. Toursits with foreign vehicles have no problem sourcing car
insurance options at the border but for some reason the average Mexican doesn't seem concerned.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
All Mexico needs is a plan and the will to follow it. Mexico is NOT a poor country, it is rich in natural resources but fails to distribute the
wealth because the "kings" are in control. The "Kings" like things the way they are in Mexico. There are Kings in gov't, business world, the
Military and of-course in the Narco world. Until you can separate the wealth of Mexico from the King's control- there can be no change.
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No you can't. Whole different animal down to the genetics. Our Kings are nobel.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Bajajack
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Ask any Mexican on the Mainland and they will tell you Baja, Oaxaca and Chiapas really are Stuck on Stupid because of their largely Indio Bloodlnes
and low Intelligence level. You can't teach em new tricks and they don't want to change.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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