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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
If you're a driving a Mexican plated vehicle with a Mexican drivers license don't expect cordial treatment.
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Good point. While we're enduring all of this blood-letting at the hands of the cops, perhaps we should realize the Mexicans have it worse than we
do.
Some here won't see that as a valid point. Maybe good but, not valid. I see it as both.
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fandango
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Cities in the northern peninsula state of Baja California give you the option of paying your citation by MAIL:
"If you are stopped by a police officer for a traffic violation in Tijuana or Rosarito, you should always politely insist on a written citation that
you could pay either at the police station, or by mail."
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what if you are stopped once you enter the toll road? same option?
sbwontoo
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dtbushpilot
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I've been pulled over twice in many thousands of miles of driving over the speed limit in Mexico. Both times the officer was professional and
pleasant, so was I. Both times I asked the officer if he would pay my fine for me at the station so that I could go on my way, they both were happy to
help me out. I was able to negotiate a lower fine both times. I assume the officer took my money back to the station and paid my fine. If he didn't
does that mean that I paid mordita or not? My karma is clear, I did the crime, I paid the price.
I was coming back from the Baja 500 a while back and was cruising down interstate 8 just West of El Centro. I was driving a big Dodge pickup towing a
small motorcycle trailer. I was going 70 mph, I've seen the sign that states 55 mph for trucks and cars towing trailers but never really thought it
applied to me (an incorrect assumption on my part). I was pulled over for going 70 in a 55 towing a trailer and given a ticket by a CHP officer with
no personality or sense of humor what's so ever. The fine was $390.....dollars, not pesos.
I'll take the Mexican way every time.....dt
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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Dave
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Nope
| Quote: | Originally posted by fandango
Cities in the northern peninsula state of Baja California give you the option of paying your citation by MAIL:
"If you are stopped by a police officer for a traffic violation in Tijuana or Rosarito, you should always politely insist on a written citation that
you could pay either at the police station, or by mail."
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what if you are stopped once you enter the toll road? same option? |
There are no local cops on the toll road. It's federal property. The federals will issue a citation and take your license. Depending on where issued
you'll either pay in TJ or Ensenada. That's where your license will be sent.
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monoloco
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I have found that after a bit of negotiation the mordida requested is excessive the amount will suddenly go down after calling their bluff and
requesting to go see the juez. I have never paid more than 200 pesos for any infraccion.
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Bajahowodd
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I tend to look at it as karma. Just ask yourself how many hours and miles have you spent vastly exceeding the speed limit driving on highway 1. I
mean, like it really appears that when the sign says 80kph, people are doing 80mph. So, for all those minor infraction things, just think about how
the big stuff added up. A bargain. And don't anyone of you dare to tell me you really drive 40Kph on the open road!
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DENNIS
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I've said this in the past but, I'll mention it again and, it's only my opinion.
Mordita in it's most pure and simple form is ideal. Those who break the law support law enforcement. What could be better?
Of course, the sin of greed interacts with the ideal structure and turns the whole thing into petty extortion. Sometimes not so petty. The fine has
to fit the crime. If it did, there would be fewer complaints.
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viabaja
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Dtbushpilot - good comments and thats how it's done! "I'm in a hurry officer, so would you please please pay the fine for me". It's all about face and
most people in Baja don't get it!
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MrBillM
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Checks in the Mail ?
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. I KNOW (or, at least, have read long ago) that the infractions supposedly can be paid by mail. It's one of the things I mentioned
to my wife as we drove off, BUT MexCop kept pounding his pen on that spot that says THAT was where we had to go to pay the ticket.
As I said, there was never any doubt in my mind WHERE the whole thing was going once the routine started. It was just a matter of how long it was
going to take to arrive at the "Bite". Many times (especially at the Border), I've been tempted to say "OK, cut to the Bottom Line", but they don't
like to have the routine disrupted.
About 20 minutes later, going down Hwy 5, my wife said "Now, be sure to stay at the speed limit. We don't want to get stopped again". As I reached
one of those 60KPH sections on the open highway with no apparent reason, I SLOWED to exactly 36 and drove the distance until it went back to 80. I
said "is this what you mean" ? Her Reply ? "Holy Jesus !"
YEAH.
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Bajafun777
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Crooked cops or crooked systems---what is the difference?? Look, in the States no matter what you actually are such as guilty or innocent you will
pay the fine, court fee, administrative fee, etc. etc. etc. so what should have been a simple $50 fine turns into $450. Since it was within the
system the crooked system is deemed OK. Where would anyone expect it different in the States, if the Judge says it is so then it is So, right?? The
court gets it cut, the police get their cut, the city gets it cut, the court administration gets it cut and we the public get the shaft, so it is what
it is. Our taxes are to pay for these services, so why the push to keep increasing the fees on infractions---simple to make more money! In Mexico
not everyone gets the cut if you settle it on the street and like others have written here it is a lot faster and cheaper than here in the States.
Our fines on the roadways were never created to be fair, as they were made to make money on each and every stop. Just look at the fiscal mess in
California and go into any city, town, county roadway or state freeway and watch the real "Bite" happen. Yes, the speed limits are posted but many on
our rural flat roadways are speed rated for money making not the correct or safe speed. In our cities the little "no left" or "no right" turn signs
placed coming out of fast food driveways are there to make money nothing to do with safe driving. I know this will make some mad but truth said our
fining system is corrupt as it fills the hands of many and many have to keep that revenue source up to at least the year before, as each system claims
the need for it. Not mad as it would be no use, It Is What It Is!! No whinning or challenging will ever change it. So, filling one hand or many in
the "revenue cycle" what is best or legal---maybe legal is defined by the ones hands being filled and claiming it is all just "A-OK." Again not
pointing fingers at law enforcement or courts as we the voters have allowed this "cash cow" to be milked as if it will never run out of milk and the
laws are the laws. We all want to do the right thing but does the right thing really boil down to the right thing or just the way it is. I prefer
the Mexico way on a number of things and yes in some ways in Mexico you have a lot more freedoms than you do in the States now or maybe even lesser in
the future. We let crooked politicians tell us what is legal, right, and what they say we the voters have pushed for them to do--- yea they really
listen to us that is why California has budget and no fiscal problems. Mr. Bill as I get older I find my time is more important than just waiting in
a hot car, hot room, pushed from one window to the next instead of just doing what is quick and really better for me at the moment. You pay the cop
for the fine and if he does not turn it in, then he is doing wrong or maybe he is just filling the one hand and not many. Later--- bajafun777
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arrowhead
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There sure are a lot of misguided people here. With one sentence they decry corruption in Mexico, and in the very next sentence they rationalize it
away. Seems most of you fail to understand that corruption in Mexico is just one big continuum from the $20 to the traffic cop to the $450,000 the
cartels pay the director of the federal police. It is all the same thing. The only difference is that the higher up you go in the political system,
the more you have to pay.
President Felipe Calderón said: "Ya basta, con la corrupción, la impunidad y la inseguridad."
You people are sewing the seeds of the destruction of the country you claim you love. And for what? Because you are in a hurry? Because it is the
easiest thing to do? Because everybody else does it?
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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Osprey
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I don't corrupt in the regular way. Some my cop friends here in the village sometimes stop by for a cold one on the patio and from time to time I help
them find more reasons to stop gringos. For example, they forget to check tail lights and break lights, windshield wipers, odometers, etc. Sometimes I
get on line and show them how to read registration papers, insurance policies, ID cards. One of my best money makers for them is to accuse the driver
of putting on the seat belt during the stop.
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You get stopped. The law dude asks for papers, ID. You don't fully understand what the heck is going on because you don't speak Spanish. They speak
enough English to scare the heck out of you. You're digging in your wallet for some cash. They like that. You're good to go.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
You people are sewing the seeds of the destruction of the country you claim you love. And for what? Because you are in a hurry? Because it is the
easiest thing to do? Because everybody else does it? |
We arn't missionaries. We're doing what's necessary to accept and work with the cultural as it is.
We won't change this...the way it is. In other threads, we're crapped all over for making that effort...to change the culture to our ideal.
I think it's arrogant to believe it's our place to change the structure.
Take the option....refuse to pay and insist on a trip to the station if that's what it takes to fight the system. That's what I do but, don't try to
make saints out of the street cops. You don't have what it takes.
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Bajageorge
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Hey where else in the world can you get totally drunk and drive, get pulled over, give the cop a hundred and get to keep driving and drinking ??
GOTTA LOVE MEX.....
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Well I sure hope Drunk People like you are not on the Road when I'm driving, what would happen in the States?
There has been many threads on this subject, and as long as you continue to pay, then pay, but the problem is going to get worse, as they see you have
lots of money, OH THE ECONOMY is not bad for you, see Rodolfo I told you these guys are loaded, and scared S-------, so take what ever they have.
Come on people If you do something really wrong then take care of business, If not refuse to pay the mordita and go to the station, or maybe you
really are scared S-------.
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MrBillM
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Dittos
Dennis.
Bajafun777.
I can't say it any better.
"I don't want to set the World on Fire................"
The difference between corruption in Mexico and the U.S.A. is that it is more egalitarian in Mexico with opportunity for the Average Joe to
participate. In the U.S., Corruption is reserved for the corridors of political and corporate power.
AND, to those shooting "Arrowheads" at us, I am not on any mission to save or reform Mexico. I look upon each example in terms of
how it affects ME ! If it works for ME, it's OK.
The rest of you are on your own. I'm not joining any crusades for Social Justice, Equality, or anything else, for that matter.
As I said earlier, I ALWAYS enjoy relating these social encounters because they bring out such a variety of (sometimes rabid) pontificating. This
certainly fulfilled that purpose.
I'm reminded years ago of an event at work in which there was a group discussion of our Building Emergency Plan in the event of a disaster. I said "I
don't know about the rest of you, but there's an Emergency Exit just behind my desk and, if anything goes wrong, I'm Gone. the rest of you are on
your own. I'll see the survivors in the parking lot and we'll have a beer later".
VIVA MORDIDA. VIVA ME.
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beercan
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Bill, I will remember to sit close to the exit when I visit !!!
I just hope Linda will take some pics of two geezers scrambling for the door !!
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oldlady
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By the time you trip over all the guns and electronics you belly floppers ain't gonna "scramble" much of anywhere.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldlady
By the time you trip over all the guns and electronics you belly floppers ain't gonna "scramble" much of anywhere. |
Maybe it was a reference to their huevos. 
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