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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
You have a point there Dennis! But you have to start somewhere. War is not the answer. In fact, it has made it worse.
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NO Tony...Friendship aside, you just don't get it.
The war you say has "made it worse" has been brought on by the enemy. Are you suggesting they're just defending themselves?
This is more than a desire to move dope. It's a desire to have enough power to influence and run a country and it's taking place right in front of
your eyes, as much as you don't want to see it.
Mexico is melting down. Some of their leaders are in the cartel pocket.
Proof? Here you are.
Two national Drug Czars in the recent past have been found to be on cartel payroll.
Doesn't that mean anything to you? Do you, in your most naive moment, believe that these two are the only infected leaders in the war on drugs?
OhhhhPleeeeze........ Mexico is a copy of Colombia. The cancer has spread to lethal lengths and Merida Initiatives with our money will only find a
way to bolster the enemy.
I want out of this snakepit. If and when I can sell my house...I'm effing gone. All the b-tchen Baja crap in the world won't make this a safer
place. It gets worse daily.
It's dangerous and those who can't see this, and want to apologize for it, are as guilty as the cartels.
Lemme out of here.
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Woooosh
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The war only made things worse because of the holes in the current system from cop to prison guard. Most cocaine goes straight to Spain by passing
Mexico (street price much higher there). Portugal has decriminalized all drugs. Time are changing- so look forward to the next opportunity for the
narcos- like prostituion and gambling.
And why can't Mexico develop more Las Vegas style resorts- even China is doing it. There is a new slot-type gambling "store" in the new Rosarito
shopping center (It's the one with the blacked-out windows). Prostitution is legal and health cards issued in TJ. Vegas was built on those and
Rosarito Beach was a genuine hot spot back then for both those reasons.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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http://www.fresnobee.com/local/story/1553061.html
Mexican Narcos setting up grow farms in the USA- would would have thunk it? If it's worth $1.26 BILLION, don't burn in on a bonfire- sell it to the
dispenseries and CA will get $50/ounce sales tax back too. Save some old folks medical services!
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... "Marijuana plants valued at more than $1.26 billion have been confiscated and 82 people arrested over the past 10 days in Fresno County. The
operation started last week and is continuing.
By comparison, Tulare County's leading commodity -- milk -- was valued at about $1.8 billion in 2008.
Officials say the marijuana-eradication operation will cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, but the exact amount won't be known until agencies can
add up staffing, vehicle and other costs.
In Operation SOS, more than 314,000 plants were uprooted in 70 gardens -- numbers expected to rise as the enforcement action continues. Agents also
seized $41,000 in cash, 26 firearms and three vehicles.
Planning for the operation began in February and focused on marijuana crops being backed by Mexican drug cartels, Fresno County Sheriff Margaret Mims
said.
Mims said many cartels are involved, but she would not name any because the investigation is still under way. All but one person arrested was from
Mexico, officials said.
[Edited on 7-24-2009 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
You have a point there Dennis! But you have to start somewhere. War is not the answer. In fact, it has made it worse.
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NO Tony...Friendship aside, you just don't get it.
The war you say has "made it worse" has been brought on by the enemy. Are you suggesting they're just defending themselves?
This is more than a desire to move dope. It's a desire to have enough power to influence and run a country and it's taking place right in front of
your eyes, as much as you don't want to see it.
Mexico is melting down. Some of their leaders are in the cartel pocket.
Proof? Here you are.
Two national Drug Czars in the recent past have been found to be on cartel payroll.
Doesn't that mean anything to you? Do you, in your most naive moment, believe that these two are the only infected leaders in the war on drugs?
OhhhhPleeeeze........ Mexico is a copy of Colombia. The cancer has spread to lethal lengths and Merida Initiatives with our money will only find a
way to bolster the enemy.
I want out of this snakepit. If and when I can sell my house...I'm effing gone. All the b-tchen Baja crap in the world won't make this a safer
place. It gets worse daily.
It's dangerous and those who can't see this, and want to apologize for it, are as guilty as the cartels.
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Dennis,
I do get it! I am aware of all that you offer as "proof". No, I am not suggesting that they are "just defending themselves". Of course they started
it. What I am suggesting is where on the timeline that the "war" escalated. That was when (I believe it was Javier) Felix Arrellano was arrested while
fishing off the So Cal coast and brought to San Diego. That coincided with the declaration of war by Calderon, emboldened by a huge infusion of money
from the U.S.
Of course, I can tell the good guys from the bad guys. I am not saying that the attempt to eradicate the cartels was wrong. I am just saying that that
push drew a horrible backlash of violence that keeps growing. So, my suggestions are what many have suggested. I have outlined that in my previous
post which you reacted to.
I realize that it is a struggle for control of the country. The present course is not working. The violence must be curtailed. Divide and conquer by
starting with decriminalization and then deal with the resultant aftermath when that direction becomes apparent.
What you are saying is that you have personally hit the wall and you want out. I can understand that and I would not advise you otherwise if you are
convinced of your assessment of the situation in Baja. I am sorry this has happened. I can see that the fear is that your situation could get worse if
they start looking for replacement activities if the dope is decriminalized and thus the profit deflated.
I think you and I are small potatoes and are invisible as targets, other than the possibility of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. But I am
not living in your area. You may be aware of a direct and imminent threat that we are are not.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
I think you and I are small potatoes and are invisible as targets, other than the possibility of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. But I am
not living in your area. You may be aware of a direct and imminent threat that we are are not. |
All I'm saying, Tony, is that I'm tired of swimming with the sharks. The threat is constant and I don't want to be directly involved before some here
would say I'm qualified to talk about it. Besides, I was directly involved when a car pulled up next to me and blew the back window out of my car,
missing my head by inches.
I've told that story in the past and am tired of even thinking about it.
And, those here who are beating their keybord to death in a lame attempt to compare Baja with toilets in the states.....save it. It's meaningless.
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Woooosh
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I want out of this snakepit. If and when I can sell my house...I'm effing gone. All the b-tchen Baja crap in the world won't make this a safer
place. It gets worse daily.
It's dangerous and those who can't see this, and want to apologize for it, are as guilty as the cartels.
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What you are saying is that you have personally hit the wall and you want out. I can understand that and I would not advise you otherwise if you are
convinced of your assessment of the situation in Baja. I am sorry this has happened. I can see that the fear is that your situation could get worse if
they start looking for replacement activities if the dope is decriminalized and thus the profit deflated.
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Dennis is not alone. For the first time we held a family meeting to decide what to do next. We don't want to leave, abandon or sell the house- but
with two kidnap attempts, one extortion attempt one neighbor AK-47'd jogging and a neighbor boy kidnapped and the officer responding to him help
beheaded- we are running out of options. Frankly our relatives think we are friggin nuts to still be here. And this is dead center in a tourist
town. If the family had a vote I would be posting from Colorado.
Nothing is getting better here security wise. The police can't protect anyone while hiding from El Teo- who is theatening to kill five cops every
week (he take this week off?). My family feels our staying here is stubborn, dangerous and selfish on my part- what if it is a young nephew or cousin
kidnapped for ranson and not me? I don't think I could live with that. And this is my Mexican family mind you. The gringo side of the family won't
consider a visit to talk about it.
I was looking (hoping) at this narco situation as a temporary problem- that Mexico could get it under control. That the war was important. That this
area od Mexico HAD to get it under control to survive econmically. But they can't get it done. Mexicans really don't care today about the narcos
business and what they do- they just want it to be safe again like it was before- with everything going on below the surface.
The windows of opportunity for baja norte Mexico is closing. Tourism is gone, real estate projects are abandoned and 3500 unsold properties make
selling anything a non-option. Don't know how much worse it can get financially- but we will soon see I guess.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Dennis, take a trip, rent your place on vrbo.com or put it up for sale, go camping. It's quiet further south or north.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Dennis, take a trip, rent your place on vrbo.com or put it up for sale, go camping. It's quiet further south or north. |
Yeah...I should do all of the above. Unfortunatly, there's nobody around to sell it to.
Anyway, thanks for the advice.
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I think Calderons push is working, and working very well. Already many of the cartels have gone "underground", wich means they went from high profile
everything, to keeping it low profile like its supposed to. Many use violence levels to determine success or lack of it, and i think this is
completely wrong. The Calderon goverment went into an offensive in order to stop the control and growing violence of the cartels, not to just diminish
violence overall. This "war" isnt about destroying the cartels, thats imposible, just like its imposible for the US goverment to destroy much lesser
criminal groups like the mob. Its simply about putting pressure on the cartels, making violent leaders fall, and sending the message that just like
everyone else in the world, there needs to be someone with a business mind first at the top. From the results i see, this is already working in many
regions, including Tijuana. Where more temperate leaders are prevailing, an violent ones are on the run.
Dennis,
Your not under any threat, your opinions are simply opinions, theres many more websites where people really go into details about killings, arrests,
etc. I am pretty positive anybody from the cartel even knows about Bajanomad.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Dennis,
Your not under any threat, your opinions are simply opinions, theres many more websites where people really go into details about killings, arrests,
etc. I am pretty positive anybody from the cartel even knows about Bajanomad. |
And, the high powered bullet through my window was really just some kind of friendly pat on the butt that I misinterpreted?
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I doubt you where the one being targeted, if you where, you wouldn´t be here.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Yeah...I should do all of the above. Unfortunatly, there's nobody around to sell it to.
Anyway, thanks for the advice. |
DENNIS, Woooooosh,
I'm in the market for another house in Baja and I have two friends in San Diego who also are.
Why not post "house for sale" ads and photos on Bajanomad and other baja message boards?
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Woooosh
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The leader of the La Familia cartel was "interviewed" yesterday. He said they don't drive drunk, they don't sdpeed, don't allow meth for sale in
"their" state, they work with the police to keep the streets safe and no one is killed that isn't a direct competitor. Can he run for mayor of TJ or
Rosarito? I'd take all that for some restoration of peace after all thei AFO and El Teo nonsese.
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jul/22/lt-drug-w...
"The suspect also told police about some of the inner workings of the cartel, which emerged in 2006 after breaking off from the Gulf Cartel, according
to a transcript of his statements released by the Federal Police.
Lopez, who said he was paid 3,000 pesos ($226) a week, said La Familia regularly lectures its members on how to conduct themselves, forbidding them
from driving over the speed limit, getting drunk or dealing methamphetamines within Michoacan. He said the cartel only allows methamphetamines to be
smuggled abroad.
La Familia, which is notorious of beheading its rivals, has long released messages trying to portray itself as the defender of the security of
ordinary citizens.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Yeah...I should do all of the above. Unfortunatly, there's nobody around to sell it to.
Anyway, thanks for the advice. |
DENNIS, Woooooosh,
I'm in the market for another house in Baja and I have two friends in San Diego who also are.
Why not post "house for sale" ads and photos on Bajanomad and other baja message boards? |
there are 3500 brand new homes and condos to choose from for sale in Rosarito- why wait for 3502?
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Dennis,
Your not under any threat, your opinions are simply opinions, theres many more websites where people really go into details about killings, arrests,
etc. I am pretty positive anybody from the cartel even knows about Bajanomad. |
And, the high powered bullet through my window was really just some kind of friendly pat on the butt that I misinterpreted? |
Without making light of the issue, it isn't that uncommon for idiots to shoot out the back windows of cars. They are just drunk or drugged idiots. It
happens.
Practically, where ever you go there are people like that in Baja. We can't live in fear of what might happen, the list is too long, simply continue
and keep on keepin' on.
I have had banditos throw huge rocks on my windshield when I drove at night, cars were scattered to both sides of the road being robbed, I didn't
stop.
And also once they shot out the back window. I simply went directly to the window shop - got it fixed and continued. It does suck but there are only
two options, live in fear or face the fear.
Sometimes the issues seem overwhelming, to me that is a good time to go camping where all things come into perspective.
Either way, I am sure there are buyers/renters for your home if you would like to move or vacation, absolutely. If you are serious give it a shot-but
try camping or visiting a friend first, you don't need a sign on your home to put it up for sale/rent, you can list it on line.
Imagine how much you would enjoy a nice trip south to your reserved table at Tres Virgenes, Jesse waiting on you hand and foot, pairing fine wines
with delicate hordoeurves, Nomads flitting from your table to the next with news of freshly caught fish while you announce your next role in the local
Shakespearean festival... I can see it now, El Teatro Presents Dennis starring in MacBeth!
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JESSE
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LOL!!! P-nche gnukid
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
LOL!!! P-nche gnukid |
Wait until he reads the "strong Armed Robberies in Rosarito" thread that was just started. Gettting worse here by the minute. We may hit 4000 houses
for sale here soon if this keeps up.
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I am pretty positive anybody from the cartel even knows about Bajanomad. |
Based upon the latest comments from Dennis and Woosh, I think they'll have to rename this website Bajanomas.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Imagine how much you would enjoy a nice trip south to your reserved table at Tres Virgenes, Jesse waiting on you hand and foot, pairing fine wines
with delicate hordoeurves, Nomads flitting from your table to the next with news of freshly caught fish while you announce your next role in the local
Shakespearean festival... I can see it now, El Teatro Presents Dennis starring in MacBeth! |
Ohhhh yeah.....I'm really starting to enjoy this idea. I wonder if Jesse will mind if I call him, "Boy." This'll be lots of fun.
[Edited on 7-24-2009 by DENNIS]
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
I am pretty positive anybody from the cartel even knows about Bajanomad. |
Based upon the latest comments from Dennis and Woosh, I think they'll have to rename this website Bajanomas. |
Baja is still here but "peace, love and fish tacos" are now at your own risk. What a shame. Rosarito had so potential and was growing services as
well as residents. Now they will smartly go to the real Baja- baja sur.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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