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gnukid
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FYI there is no small boat permit currently in Mexico. None either for tenders to larger boats.
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by msteve1014
| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
As much as I love fishing in Asuncion during fall there are many other places to fish that are not inside the Biosphere.
If I thought my money was doing something to help the fishery I wouldn't mind but I don't have any faith in the Biophere. It's just a new scam to
collect money.
I will probably fish other places now.
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If your not bringing your boat down (in your plane), it's still only the 5 bucks a day extra. Or is it the principle of the thing.
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Ya, it's just the principle. Until the Biophere people are willing to demonstrate that they are making tangle improvements to the Biosphere I am
unwilling to give them money. Even $5.
I think that they believe that helping the people who live in the Biosphere is their job. Helping to develope and increase the population of people in
the Biophere.
I don't want to help with that.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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fishbuck
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Threats
El Vizcaíno Reserve is threatened and there is a great risk that in the near future it will fail to protect and maintain its biodiversity. The main
threats include agriculture, overuse of groundwater reserves, extensive grazing, illegal fishing, and legal and illegal hunting. Future, potential
threats include a mega-tourism/infrastructure project called "Escalera Náutica" or Nautical Ladder, and mining activities.
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I didn't read where sportfishing is a problem.
[Edited on 9-24-2009 by fishbuck]
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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When the Plan de Manejo was written up...Management Plan...there was really no sportfishing. I get the idea that the Reserve wants to get a handle on
how many boats are using the area...and as mentioned collect a fee from them for park usage as a way to fund the Reserve e Management....perhaps this
"threat" would come under thillegal fishing catagory.
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
Threats
El Vizcaíno Reserve is threatened and there is a great risk that in the near future it will fail to protect and maintain its biodiversity. The main
threats include agriculture, overuse of groundwater reserves, extensive grazing, illegal fishing, and legal and illegal hunting. Future, potential
threats include a mega-tourism/infrastructure project called "Escalera Náutica" or Nautical Ladder, and mining activities.
Copyright © 2004 ParksWatch - All Rights Reserved
I didn't read where sportfishing is a problem.
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Bring a fisherman I feel singled out and attacked by this permit process.
For example, where's the requirement for an agricultural permit?
a vaca permit?
water extraction permit?
mining permit?
hunting permit?
....Escalera Náutica?....A least that went away 
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
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wilderone
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[fees to be spent ] "I hope, be spent making improvements, catching poachers, clean-ups "
In your dreams. Mexicans - those who won't be paying the fee - are the biggest offenders. Plenty of hands out for the fees, but little enforcement
of the laws re: poaching, encroachment within preserves (fishermen take their clients into Cabo Pulmo all the time - some get caught, some not, but
they try and get away with it constantly); longlining, nets, turtle poaching, fishing over-limit, shooting dolphins, wasting bycatch, etc. Get real -
you think UNESCO or INAH or PROFEPA collecting a fee from TOURISTS who are there for a week or two is going to impact all the illegal Mexican activity
that runs amuck every day?
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bajaponderosa
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Permit
So you are saying that when I come down in Oct. to fish with my boat I will need a permit to fish in those waters? Also what is the website address
for these so called permits.
Thanks
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wilderone
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She's saying that you will need the Biosphere permit for the boat, the boat permit, the individual biosphere bracelet for each person, a fishing
license for everyone in the boat, not to mention the insurance for the car, boat and trailer, a visa for each person.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
THIS JUST IN...HOT OFF THE TELEPHONE...with the Reserve marisol....they had an emergency meeting today and I was able to voice some comments and pass
on the comments made by interested parties. I also asked lots of questions and the result is that I have been advised that the personal permits are
now "under revision" and are being legally investigated. We will be advised shortly when it is all sorted out and desicions have been made on who and
who doesnt need a permit to embark on the ocean in the Reserve....so stay tuned. I am going to send a letter to La Paz outlining the concerns and
issues with this policy in hopes of having an effect on the outcome. I mentioned that if permits were needed, they should be made easier to obtain on
site.
I did get the green light for people who just want to paddle around in their kayak ...they dont need the permit...sounds like the issue is
fishing....extracting a resource in the reserve...although you will need your bracelet for recreational activities.
ON the racial issue...these permits/laws are for everyone of every race and color...not just gringo tourists....mexicanos as well...so they arent
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Please let them know that the reason tourists drive 2 or more days to get to central Baja, spend the money to get there, risk the 'news reported'
assasinations and kidnappings near the border, spend money with local Baja business people, wait for hours to cross back to the U.S., etc. etc. IS TO
GET AWAY FROM ALL THE GOVERNMENT &%$#! and enjoy some time with Nature and enjoy what God has produced. THINGS we can't do so much in the USA
anymore with the crowds of people.
They add all these 'taxes' on tourists, who have already spent so much to go there... it just makes it that much less attractive for the effort.
LESS GOVERNMENT = MORE FREEDOM & PROSPERITY for the people.
Go after whoever is violating laws, littering, overfishing... Don't punish everyone and don't cut your own livelyhoods!
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God help me I agree with DK, in fact well said.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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David K
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Thank you...  
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This has got to be the dumbest idea I have heard, let's tax the people who have the least impact on the marine environment while letting commercial
fishing interests get away with murder. They should get rid of PROFEPA and use the money for some real fisheries enforcement.
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BajaDanD
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I sure hope someone gets it all figured out by the time I get down there end of Oct.
I plan on bringing my kayaks and fishing off them.
My friend is also bringing his boat. We have no problem paying a fee. But come on!!!!! My question is "To Who,What When,Where,Why and How---much
DAND
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
This has got to be the dumbest idea I have heard, let's tax the people who have the least impact ....
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The least impact, but the most money.
It seems that all of the recent gringo excitement at Asuncion has got someone's attention - and they're seeing $$ opportunities.
Nothing new here. Soon we'll be charged to fish from a float tube. And there'll be those who'll agree and will compare it to our private pay-to-play
ponds stateside.
As far as DavidK's post. Yes, it makes sense, but has the usual political dogmatic lessons for us all.
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shari
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wilderone....where did I say all that???
As I mentioned...as a result of all my questions and comments...this boat permit issue is now under revision...so I figure as long as it's in that
phase....well...I imagine things will remain the same as always.
It seems that because we have the Biosphere Officer living here, we found out about this sooner than other areas.
If you fish with a guide...its' only a 46 peso permit...dont panic everybody.
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Oh no, let's get some press down there
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BajaDanD
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No panic here just wondering
There will be days we fish with a guide and without one whats it gonna cost me when i fish from my kayak
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shari
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dont know yet how they will decide on who does and doesnt need a permit...lets hope they take their time to decide eh!
I will pass on the info when I receive it. I am also preparing a letter along with many of these comments on the thread to the jefes of the Reserve.
Perhaps some of you may want to submit your own letters as well.
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David K
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Thank you Shari... It will do the most good to everyone (and the sealife) if they concentrate their efforts on the big time users of the land and sea
and not the minority of tourist campers and sports-fishermen.
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Commercial fishing practices, indiscriminate use of long lines and destructive drift gill nets severely damage pelagic fish and huka divers severely
damage reef fish populations. These two practices are the primary causes of destruction of marine populations.
The region of Bahia Magdelena has been severely damaged by these destructive practices.
All the while it is publicly acknowledged that these destructive fishing practices are bad for the economy of BCS.
In the regions of El Vizcaino Biosphere, whales are in particular at risk of being caught in long lines and drift nets which create a gauntlet of
obstacles catching all marine life passing through these dynamic coastal waters.
"Annually approximately 1500 Humpback Whales, highly endangered Blue Whales and 8000 Gray Whales travel down a coastal corridor (often called the H20
highway) from Alaska to Mexico. Their journey is peaceful as they move southward to warmer waters. That all changes as they enter Mexico, a country
that has proclaimed itself the 'world’s largest whale sanctuary'. Here they have to navigate through a gauntlet of hundreds of gillnets placed along the Baja and mainland coastline directly in their path."
Mexico, under Fox, declared the entire region of Baja to be a Whale sanctuary. Hukas have been designated illegal for fishing under NOM-64, and large
gill nets are designated illegal as well, on August 15th of 2009 large drift gillnets were banned from Mexico’s waters.
However, Conapesca has effectively ignored the law by issuing permits to allow air compressors, circumventing the NOM-64 law.
Consejo Estatal de Pesca y Acuacultura de Baja California Sur has effectively ignored agreements on bans of gill drift nets, saying not enough
evidence exists and more scientific research should be done.
UNESCO Man and the Biosphere designation is significant to acknowledge the bio-diversity of targeted regions, however this designation has no implicit
affect on conservation nor does the designation command new authority, sovereignty or power.
Due to the lack of enforcement, citizen run organizations have begun self-funded policing, such as Plataforma and Seawatch along with Conanp, who have stepped up to help enforce Mexican fisheries laws. Citizen run organizations are stepping up to inspect fishing boats, enforce
the laws, identify offenders and publish this information which is having an affect.
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