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capt. mike
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i think they were talking about smaller tract lots closer to 80 x 50 or approx 1/10 AC. still, it would be much more than one Texas with 4000 SF lots.
like i wrote, i'd only heard this statistic and had no idea - but i knew someone here would cipher on it a bit.  
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Losing most of all of the polar ice in 30 years is a big deal. Quoting low temperatures from the past makes no sense. Those populations were given
time to adapt, evolve, and survive. Ours do not. The times are too brief. A more appropriate comparison is one to natural cataclysmic events like the
meteor during the late cretaceous period.
Look, all of this now is understood.
There will always be those who need further 'proof'. Why? Because they really don't like the answers they're getting so far.
There are many who are still disputing the human evolution. As lacking proof. Those will go on forever arguing and there is no convincing them. Why?
Because the stakes are so high. Life after death is not something to renounce very easily.
When asked about his religiousity the french philosopher, Pasquale explained it this way.
If the chances that God exists are 1 in 1,000,000. But if He does exist than I have everlasting life, but if not, then it all ends in just a few years
from now. Given the choice I will always go for religion.
And that pretty much sums up why many can't look at the data objectively. Their businesses will suffer. Their political party will be embarassed. You
don't want to disagree with your friend.
So they just stall.
"We haven't found the missing link yet." "Nobody has actually witnessed an evolutionary transformation". The same tired strawman arguments are now
being offered with global warming.
We get a rainy day and sure as rain a post appears about global warming with a smiling face. And the wisecracking begins. Strange though, I don't
recollect any humor about global warming when that hurricane hit Mulege.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Losing most of all of the polar ice in 30 years is a big deal. Quoting low temperatures from the past makes no sense. Those populations were given
time to adapt, evolve, and survive. Ours do not. The times are too brief. A more appropriate comparison is one to natural cataclysmic events like the
meteor during the late cretaceous period.
Look, all of this now is understood.
There will always be those who need further 'proof'. Why? Because they really don't like the answers they're getting so far.
There are many who are still disputing the human evolution. As lacking proof. Those will go on forever arguing and there is no convincing them. Why?
Because the stakes are so high. Life after death is not something to renounce very easily.
When asked about his religiousity the french philosopher, Pasquale explained it this way.
If the chances that God exists are 1 in 1,000,000. But if He does exist than I have everlasting life, but if not, then it all ends in just a few years
from now. Given the choice I will always go for religion.
And that pretty much sums up why many can't look at the data objectively. Their businesses will suffer. Their political party will be embarassed. You
don't want to disagree with your friend.
So they just stall.
"We haven't found the missing link yet." "Nobody has actually witnessed an evolutionary transformation". The same tired strawman arguments are now
being offered with global warming.
We get a rainy day and sure as rain a post appears about global warming with a smiling face. And the wisecracking begins. Strange though, I don't
recollect any humor about global warming when that hurricane hit Mulege. |
...and we ain't seen nothin' yet.
Think of your beer cooler down on the beach. The beer stay cool until the last bit of the ice has gone. Then what happens?
That kind of out of control temperature rise is nasty enough when its a six pack of Pacifico at stake (or even any of the other - lesser - beers ;-)
but when it threatens to be the whole dagnam planet, look out.
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Ken Bondy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
"We haven't found the missing link yet." "Nobody has actually witnessed an evolutionary transformation". |
Igor
Richard Dawkins' latest book "The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution" demolishes that tired, old, fallacious argument magnificently.
Worth a read.
++Ken++
carpe diem!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
"We haven't found the missing link yet." "Nobody has actually witnessed an evolutionary transformation". |
Igor
Richard Dawkins' latest book "The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution" demolishes that tired, old, fallacious argument magnificently.
Worth a read.
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Thanks---that sounds like a good one to read.
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So, when I was there in 1980, was there sand under the arch, or was it my imagination?
P<*)))>{
ps. I almost said "Al Gore need not answer" but then deleted that sentence as I'm trying to get myself back on topic.
Thank you.
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Here's an interesting article from Scientific American.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-much-wi...
Dawkins' book "The God Delusion" is also an excellent read. I must admit, though, that it was for me a bit like drinking a steak through a straw. He
makes some interesting points about the evolutionary positive effects on a population sharing a commonly held belief in the same mythology.
This can be reversed it seems when Armegeddon cults like those that dominate American philosophical thought deny reality and steadfastly refuse to
acknowledge and fight a threat to their survival. If they take action they lengthen the time before they "rapture" out of here. It is tough to reason
with those who'd rather be dead than rational.
The intermittant sands under the arch are easy to explain as stated elsewhere. Are sea levels rising? The huge preponderance of evidence says "yes".
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
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Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paulina
So, when I was there in 1980, was there sand under the arch, or was it my imagination?
P<*)))>{
ps. I almost said "Al Gore need not answer" ...
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Then ask Leslie.
Al's tire of being ... "one of your - many toys" <groan>
[Edited on 10-14-2009 by Skipjack Joe]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
Here's an interesting article from Scientific American.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-much-wi...
Dawkins' book "The God Delusion" is also an excellent read. I must admit, though, that it was for me a bit like drinking a steak through a straw. He
makes some interesting points about the evolutionary positive effects on a population sharing a commonly held belief in the same mythology.
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I thought that was a fascinating part of "God Delusion". Dawkins asks the question, paraphrased, "Why has religion lasted so long?" and hypothesizes
that the answer might actually be explained by evolution. Go figger. Along with the larger evolutionary effects resulting from a commonly held
belief in the same mythology (that you mentioned) he also hypothesizes that natural selection might have actually favored religious individuals.
Religion heavily influenced early societies (as it does now). Children were told by their parents to believe in whatever particular mythology was in
fashion at the time. The kids did. But the kids also got valuable survival advice from their parents (don't get too close to the cliff, don't put
your hand in the fire, stay away from wolves, etc.), and the kids who paid attention to their parents survived their childhoods more than the kids
that didn't. Thus, in the natural selection process, along with the survival advice came the religious advice. The kids who survived childhood and
reproduced tended to be religious. Thus Dawkins explains by evolution why religion is still so persistent. I thought that was an ironic twist 
[Edited on 10-14-2009 by Ken Bondy]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
Dawkins' book "The God Delusion" is also an excellent read. I must admit, though, that it was for me a bit like drinking a steak through a straw.
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 You and Ken
are really making be want to read this book, but I love that description --- steak through a straw.
Thanks
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Sand Under the San Lucas Arch? Gotta love it how Nomads can morph a subject like that to the writings of Richard Dawkins!
Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan. Just thought it weirdly interesting as to the meanderings of this thread.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
The kids who survived childhood and reproduced tended to be religious.
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Makes sense to me. The Bible is full of laws that give it's adherents a leg up on the rest of mankind. Half of the 10 commandments don't deal with
spirituality at all. I can see how natural selection would favor these people.
I'm just having trouble with that title "The God Delusion". It's so confrontational and arrogant, condescending. If you want to convince people of
something that seems like a strange first step.
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Ken Bondy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Sand Under the San Lucas Arch? Gotta love it how Nomads can morph a subject like that to the writings of Richard Dawkins!
Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan. Just thought it weirdly interesting as to the meanderings of this thread. |
Kinda like evolution happening right here on the Board !!
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Ken Bondy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
The kids who survived childhood and reproduced tended to be religious.
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Makes sense to me. The Bible is full of laws that give it's adherents a leg up on the rest of mankind. Half of the 10 commandments don't deal with
spirituality at all. I can see how natural selection would favor these people.
I'm just having trouble with that title "The God Delusion". It's so confrontational and arrogant, condescending. If you want to convince people of
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Agree. Dawkins is actually quite mild-mannered, scientific, and non-confrontational in presenting his opinions in the text of the book, maybe his
editor selected the title for shock value? Sam Harris, with similar views, is somewhate more low-key in his titles (The End of Faith, Letter to a
Christian Nation).
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Looky at 1868 drawing of cape...
Seems the sea levels in 1868 (98 years earlier) were still the same as in my 1966 photo...
[Edited on 10-14-2009 by David K]
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I think you're on to something there DK.
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Wait four years, DK!
I agree with you Ken, it really does appear that the editor or the publisher may have influenced the title. Although even if they had gone with
something a mite more sanguine, I still have to believe reviews would have resulted in the absolute belief crowd avoding it anyway.
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Nomad Know it all
Who really knows more than DK? GoatBoy? Skipjack Joe?
How does one Nomad tell another Nomad, that the other Nomad is not an expert on everything? That would make the accusing Nomad actually the expert on
everything, including knowing who isn't an expert.
How are we, the mere mortal Nomads, ever going to be able to understand what it is like being a "know-it-all"?
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I think that Dr. Drip is an expert on Baja Missions. If I needed information about them he'd be the first person I'd think of. However I've heard
his minority view about global warming and personally will place my trust in the experts on THAT topic.
What was it that lured you over from the off-topic Gull? I'd hate to think that you were losing your edge. You slurred "goatboy", but forgot to
repeat your old attempted slur of FAGabundo. Tsk Tsk Tsk.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
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Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
How does one Nomad tell another Nomad, that the other Nomad is not an expert on everything?
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