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Bajahowodd
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Dennis, mi amigo. Far as I can tell, I'm merely five years your junior. So it's not age. It's more likely history and lifestyle. I respect what you
have accomplished. Here I sit in Orange County and regret not having moved to Baja years ago. Your post leans heavily on stereotype. Truth be said,
flamers give gays a bad name and gays understand that, too. From my perspective, number one, acceptance of gays will not alter history past. Number
two, I do recall reading that one of the reasons for the seeming lack of gay lifestyle in the Mexican culture was that the inherent large, extended
family lifestyle, just tended to cover it up. Translation: it's easy to get lost in a crowd. Everyone just needs to be real.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
That said, why in the world should sexuality even matter when it comes to contributing to the greater good of mankind?
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'Cause the greater crowd of mankind in Baja didn't, in it's years known for historical reference, have gay bars.
We're still talking Baja, right Howard? We're down here for the history lesson, not for new age understanding.
Don't do what the gays do, please. Force their existance upon others who don't agree with their choice of life-style. I'm entitled to my choice as
well and it ain't gay by any means. Today it's Baja. Tomorrow it may be Anthony's.
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arrowhead
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Howard, as much as I hate to back up Dennis on anything, all I can say is that you really do not understand Mexican culture. Not even a little bit.
When you have lived in Mexico for a few years -- amongst Mexicans and not in a Gringo ghetto -- and speak Spanish fluently enough to understand the
slang and the nuances, then you might come to understand what I am saying.
You are trying to infer your American sensibilities onto a foreign culture. Forget about it. You won't be happy in Mexico unless you stay in your
ghetto.
You should try to find one of the Mexican men who post here and see if you can get them to explain to you that aspect of the culture in a U2U.
[Edited on 10-27-2009 by arrowhead]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Your post leans heavily on stereotype.[quote/]
And you, with that statement, have stereotyped me.
| Quote: | | Truth be said, flamers give gays a bad name and gays understand that |
Some do, that's fine. I'm stuck in my belief that their lifestyle is contrary to biology. That's OK for them Geese do it too. but they don't make
such an entitlement issue out of it.
Sorry about getting the quote boxes screwed up. |
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
as much as I hate to back up Dennis on anything, |
Sorry you feel that way. I agree with you often, even admit it.
If you'll give me an address, I'll send you flowers...and some of those toilet deoderizers you like so well. 
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Dave
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Not speaking personally but...
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Tomorrow it may be Anthony's. |
I'm thinkin' that might be an improvement. 
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BajaNuts
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"Originally posted by DENNIS
Now we see that all this history is being cast aside to welcome men who love men and women who love women. This takes precedence over the museum
qualities of the penninsula."
Is Dennis implying that there were never any homosexuals in Baja until recently? And now that there are some homosexuals out in the open, that erases
or defiles the history of Baja?
And wasn't all that fighting history Dennis referred to the fight for freedom? Fight against oppression?
I think it's generally understood that homosexuality has been around as long as prostitution. Both are mentioned in the Bible and many old writings.
Don't see where it's a "NEW" thing in Baja just because it's been so supressed for so long. It was/is still there.
Who was that foreign leader who recently said "homosexuality didn't exist in his country"? (Pakistan?Iran? I can't remember.....)
Perhaps Rosario could tap into the greater market. All inclusive, clothing-optional resorts are HUGE in the Bahamas. A LOT of money to be had
catering to alternative lifestyles of all flavors, not just gays.
Course, now we could get into a whole other discussion of .... what is an alternative lifestyle?
(Disclaimer! the following is posted NOT to solicit responses as to what is kinky or what is not, but to provoke thoughts about what is "Right" for
one person and what is "right" for everyone.)
Is anything other than the "missionary" position "alternative"? for some people- yes
Let's get a little spicy, maybe throw in some "numbers", now are we in the ALTERNATIVE realm? for some- yes for others- that's just a warm up.
WHAT IF- some guy really likes putting nail polish on his wife's toes? What if his fantasy is to give her a pedicure while she is relaxing in a
lounge chair, foo-foo drink in hand, gazing out at the azure blue waves of the ocean...
Hey, if a resort in Rosarito can provide the setting, why couldn't it happen?
My personal criteria is - MUTUAL CONSENT! And beyond that is each person's own personal belief of what is right and what is wrong.
Hopefully by thinking about the previous scenarios you will realize that for some people anything other than the "missionary" position is an
abomination and will send the sinners straight to hell.
Now, these scenarios can continue getting wierder and kinkier until eventually every person would say, "that's my limit". If a venue can market to a
new customer base then I say GO FOR IT.
The kicker for me is that both prostitution and homosexuality are condemned in the Bible. But now prostitution is legal? and it only took ?000 years?
Well, legalizing homosexuality can't be far behind.
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mulegemichael
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my experience/time in southern baja,(east cape), area is that gays are abundant and accepted in that area....it blew me away when i was informed of
it...been around a long time, i think, and is accepted in the culture...i gotta believe it's that way all over baja
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNuts
Is Dennis implying
And wasn't all that fighting history Dennis referred to the fight for freedom? Fight against oppression?
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Yeah...I'm implying. My fighting history for the US is shown through the medals on my chest and the susequent psychological problems that are an
after affect of the chiit I lived in service to your country.
Don't you or anybody here ever say or imply that I didn't do what I had to do. It wasn't for you that I fought and saved my life. I did it for me
but, when the stuff was on the table, I fed it to someone else.
You should have been there.
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noproblemo2
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In our small community, we do have gays, yes Mexican & American,and straights and we all get along, AS WE SHOULD...... I think some here see only
what they want to see or what they envision they see or want it to be.
[Edited on 10-27-2009 by noproblemo2]
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noproblemo2
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNuts
Is Dennis implying
And wasn't all that fighting history Dennis referred to the fight for freedom? Fight against oppression?
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Yeah...I'm implying. My fighting history for the US is shown through the medals on my chest and the susequent psychological problems that are an
after affect of the chiit I lived in service to your country.
Don't you or anybody here ever say or imply that I didn't do what I had to do. It wasn't for you that I fought and saved my life. I did it for me
but, when the stuff was on the table, I fed it to someone else.
You should have been there. |
Dennis, I personally would NEVER question any members of the military and respect 100% the dedication in which they serve at grave risk to themselves,
many have had to endure things that are totally unimagineable to most, and for that deserve what little they are given in return for their service and
dedication. Having said that, many have also returned permanently damaged by the horrors they were forced to see or endure, but that does not give
them the right to verbally attack others for having a different belief than their own. S
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BajaNuts
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNuts
Is Dennis implying
And wasn't all that fighting history Dennis referred to the fight for freedom? Fight against oppression?
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Yeah...I'm implying. My fighting history for the US is shown through the medals on my chest and the susequent psychological problems that are an
after affect of the chiit I lived in service to your country.
Don't you or anybody here ever say or imply that I didn't do what I had to do. It wasn't for you that I fought and saved my life. I did it for me
but, when the stuff was on the table, I fed it to someone else.
You should have been there. |
and I humbly, proudly and gratefully stand and SALUTE you, and all other service men and women who have served their country, whichever country that
is!
I'm Serious! I stand, hand over heart, and try not to sniffle too loud when the Honor Guard passes with the colors at the July 4th parade.
My grandfather's ship was the USS Arizona, we all know how that story ended. Funny thing was, my grandfather only took 2 week of leave during the
whole WWII, the first 2 weeks of December while the Arizona was in Hawaii. He lived to fight another day.
What I was asking is why fighting for one's country is dishonored by a gay bar or marketing to an alternative lifestyle when prostitution is legal?
[Edited on 10-27-2009 by BajaNuts]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by noproblemo2
Having said that, many have also returned permanently damaged by the horrors they were forced to see or endure, but that does not give them the right
to verbally attack others for having a different belief than their own. S |
You don't, nor ever will, get it. Had I known at the time people like you were what I fought for, I would have deserted. YOU arn't worth it. You
arn't worth my friends lives. You have no idea of what you say here. You have no idea of the damage you do with your mouth just because you think
you have an audience here.
You defile my friends, my dead friends efforts.
I'll say here, I wasn't in Nam. I was elsewhere. Not your affair.
What is your affair is your insensitivity to those who have been places you know nothing about.
You don't know so why do you talk like you do? You don't know.
Don't question me with your simple minded attacks any more. Speak of things you know.
You don't know me.
How dare you assume you do.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNuts
What I was asking is why fighting for one's country is dishonored by a gay bar or marketing to an alternative lifestyle when prostitution is legal?
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They arn't involved in any confusion, Nutz. Nobody ever said they were. Fighting awards it's own medals. There's just more to being a military person
than life in a foxhole.
I completely agree with you, by the way.
[Edited on 10-27-2009 by DENNIS]
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noproblemo2
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by noproblemo2
Having said that, many have also returned permanently damaged by the horrors they were forced to see or endure, but that does not give them the right
to verbally attack others for having a different belief than their own. S |
You don't, nor ever will, get it. Had I known at the time people like you were what I fought for, I would have deserted. YOU arn't worth it. You
arn't worth my friends lives. You have no idea of what you say here. You have no idea of the damage you do with your mouth just because you think
you have an audience here.
You defile my friends, my dead friends efforts.
I'll say here, I wasn't in Nam. I was elsewhere. Not your affair.
What is your affair is your insensitivity to those who have been places you know nothing about.
You don't know so why do you talk like you do? You don't know.
Don't question me with your simple minded attacks any more. Speak of things you know.
You don't know me.
How dare you assume you do. |
And on this you are dead wrong!!!
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Dave
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Sure
| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
Dave,
I don't know the difference between gay or straight spit, can you illuminate us with how one would know the difference or why one would want to tell
the difference? |
I'm told one grows hair on your palm, the other removes it.
Feel free to experiment.
Report your results.
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mtgoat666
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Seems like this topic has shed light on who is and is not a bigot. The light has painted an ugly scene.
I like the CA political scene where homophobes say gay marriage diminishes value of straight marriage, but same critics don't think divorce diminishes
marriage. It is brilliant to see the response that says let's make divorce illegal as it diminishes the value of all marriages.
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Dave
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You've got my vote
| Quote: | | Originally posted by mtgoat666 let's make divorce illegal as it diminishes the value of all marriages. |
It certainly diminished the value of my bank account.
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Gypsy Jan
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"Bitter, Party of One"
"Your table is ready."
Sorry Dave, I am just kidding (the ha ha kind).
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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arrowhead
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Bienvenido a Rosarito?
"Rosarito city police pull over cars to be searched at the entrance to the city after a running gunfight between police in Tijuana and suspected
members of organized crime. (David Maung / Special to the Union-Tribune) "
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/oct/27/bn27gunba...
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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