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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
That crime rates would drop during tough economic times is counter to both historical experience and intuitition. That said, bear in mind that such
statistical reportinng has a built in lag time. Would seem to me that foreclosures and job loss will have been greater in 2009 than 2008. Just
thinking that the next report might just reverse the trend of the last one. Almost every day, while driving around Orange County, I see a newly
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It's frustrating to me aswell when the facts don't support my position.
San Diego crime report through Sept 2009. some categories up but most down
http://www.sdsheriff.net/documents/q3_2009.pdf
[Edited on 11-13-2009 by tripledigitken]
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Eugenio
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My first thought was that maybe with the cutbacks in the number of police, the number of cases filed was less - but for these types of crimes I don't
think that would be true - especially car theft where insurance companies are involved and murder where there's a body to deal with.
As for historical trends I haven't seen anything that really correlates crime rates with the economy in the US - about the only thing that I can see
is that crime overall has been on a downward trend for the last 20 years or so.
Counter intuitive things are what makes life interesting - they make you step back, think, and reevaluate you beliefs. That is unless you were just
plain disingenuous from the beginning.
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I'm not so sure than it's the illegals who are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime. I welcome your statistical evidence. After all, if
you were in this country illegally, would you not want to maintain the lowest possible profile? So that is counter-intuitive.
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Ying?
| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
Such is the ying and yang of life. |
Is that the sound a Chinese phone makes?
And what if there's no one around to hear it?
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Not intending to take us away from the hijaking of this thread but I have to inform that little Karem has passed away.
http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/14112...
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Dave
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DAMN!!!
Anger and Heartbreak. 
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That is so sad. What a terrible waste.
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How very sad. Her parents must be devistated and very angry. Will this group of boys now be held accountable for her death?
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2 of the rock throwers are 18 years of age so will be tried as adults. The other 3 are 14, 15 and 17 and it is to be determined.
Now it is homicide.
[Edited on 11-15-2009 by fdt]
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Thank you for the reply, fdt. I would like to hear how it plays out. What a horrible waste of a beautiful child's life.
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indeed
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I'm not so sure than it's the illegals who are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime. I welcome your statistical evidence.
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According to INS and FBI statistics from 2006, 29 percent of all the inmates in all state and federal prisons are illegal aliens.
http://www.wwaytv3.com/node/9902
Estimated number of illegal aliens in the US = 12,000,000
Current US population = 308,000,000
Percentage of US population that is illegal = 4%
Percentage of illegals in US prisons = 29%
Therefore illegal aliens are overrepresented in prisons by a factor of 7.5:1.
That really understates the numbers, since 100% of illegals are breaking US laws just by being here, their crime rate is 100%. Why, if I may ask,
would you think that people who knowingly break US laws by entering illegally and knowingly work here without legal work rights, would somehow be
honest and upright members of society in all other matters? ?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I'm not so sure than it's the illegals who are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime. I welcome your statistical evidence.
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According to INS and FBI statistics from 2006, 29 percent of all the inmates in all state and federal prisons are illegal aliens.
http://www.wwaytv3.com/node/9902
Estimated number of illegal aliens in the US = 12,000,000
Current US population = 308,000,000
Percentage of US population that is illegal = 4%
Percentage of illegals in US prisons = 29%
Therefore illegal aliens are overrepresented in prisons by a factor of 7.5:1.
That really understates the numbers, since 100% of illegals are breaking US laws just by being here, their crime rate is 100%. Why, if I may ask,
would you think that people who knowingly break US laws by entering illegally and knowingly work here without legal work rights, would somehow be
honest and upright members of society in all other matters? ? |
The politically correct might dissagree ... However you speak the truth ...
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There's an editorial in today's El Vigia that pretty much takes the wind out of Bajagabacho's comparative road crimes theories:
http://host.elvigia.net/noticias/?seccion=generales&id=5...
"La escénica es cara y peligrosa " ( The Scenic Highway is expensive and dangerous). The article goes on to list all the crimes reported there in the
last two years. If you Google translate it, it translates very well. Here's the summary:
37+500 Secuestro, homicidio y robo de auto (K37.5 kdinapping, murder and robbery)
31+300 Secuestro (K31.3 kidnapping)
34+500 Secuestro (K34.5 kidnapping)
58+500 Homicidio calificado (K58.5 murder)
Caseta 34 12 ilícitos reportados (Toll booth 34 12 crimes reported)
Caseta 35 6 ilícitos reportados (Tool booth 35 6 crimes reported)
Bulevar 2000 y Popotla 4 casos (Boulevard 2000 at Popotla 4 cases)
La Misión 4 casos (La Misión 4 cases )
The editorial goes to say that government officials have never made this information public.
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Bajahowodd
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Why, if I may ask, would you think that people who knowingly break US laws by entering illegally and knowingly work here without legal work rights,
would somehow be honest and upright members of society in all other matters? ?
Because so many of them are here to earn money for their families back home and wouldn't want to have that interrupted and be sent back. And while not
making any value judgment here, a huge percentage of those illegals either don't believe they have committed a crime by entering, or believe they have
some sort of entitlement to do so.
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Trust me mofo!
I concur. Consider that in order to get a job illegals must lie. I guess that means that as far as trust goes.....it makes you wonder
My mom used to say "Once a liar always a liar". Seems most children outgrow lying but illegals never can or do.
Also it seems like lying is becoming the norm in our society. Politicians, moviestars bla bla get caught all the time, no biggie anymore.
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
And while not making any value judgment here, a huge percentage of those illegals either don't believe they have committed a crime by entering, or
believe they have some sort of entitlement to do so. |
I can't argue the entitlement mentality............as many native born Americans have the same thought process.........
BUT to say illegals don't believe they have committed a crime by entering the states is ludicrous. You really don't believe that do you?
Many pay coyotes, hide in trunks, brave the 100 degree desert heat to cross, crawl through sewers, and once in try to evade border check points. How
clear does it have to be that what they are doing is illegal?
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I wouldn't have any problem lying if I was hungry nor if my family a thousand miles away was hungry.
I mean...lying? I'm not even sure that's a sin any more.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
I concur. Consider that in order to get a job illegals must lie. I guess that means that as far as trust goes.....it makes you wonder
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You think that's the way it works?
If so, employers must be real dumbasses . 
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Everyone lies when pushed far enough.
Well, almost everyone .....
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