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rhintransit
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rockman
The safe website for reporting to the Federales your experiences with Immigracion officials is:
www.inm.gob.mx |
the direct link to the denuncia page is http://www.inm.gob.mx/index.php?page/Denuncias
the page is in Spanish only as far as I can find but it is basic and fairly easy to understand
in person, PGR building, Nopolo it will be helpful to speak some spanish or take someone who can interpret
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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Hook
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Here is the unbroken link.
Denuncias
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Marla Daily
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Loreto Immigration Office
I just returned from the Loreto Immigration office on MF2 business.
Honorio, in uniform, is still working at Immigration and is still stationed at the airport for arriving planes.
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Marla Daily
I just returned from the Loreto Immigration office on MF2 business.
Honorio, in uniform, is still working at Immigration and is still stationed at the airport for arriving planes. |
What do you think the odds are then he is no longer asking for cash payments or "extra" charges?
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Marla Daily
I just returned from the Loreto Immigration office on MF2 business.
Honorio, in uniform, is still working at Immigration and is still stationed at the airport for arriving planes. |
Maybe they should give him an orange uniform and a new shiny ankle bracelet. 
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rockman
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The following appeared today in Lynn Hamman's Loreto website:
"As Wardens for Loreto, the American Consulate office has asked us to pass on the following information.
The consulate has looked into the investigations of the immigration problems in Loreto and is satisfied that "the federal government is serious about
the issue of corruption within the immigration offices and would like to be able to point to this case as one of their success stories."
We have spoken directly to the Deputy Chief of the Consulate who told us that this investigation is being run by the highest authorities in the
country. If you have any questions, please contact us and we will pass these questions on to the Consulate.
Submitted by: Ray & Diane Lieberenz (rayl@snowcrest.net or 135-2170)"
Residents of- and visitors to Loreto who have experienced problems with Imigracion should report to the authorities.
If demonstrators in Iran can stand up to corruption, certainly Mexicans, Americans and Canadians should do the same.
[Edited on 12-24-2009 by rockman]
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vandenberg
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Souns like your typical government drivel. 
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DENNIS
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It's all BS damage control. Image is everything.
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Hook
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Who put vinegar in your Bailey's and coffee this morning, you two???
Let's wait and see if the investigation has resulted in a change for the better in that office. Even if the principals are still there, the principles
may have changed.
I dont know why we didnt think of bringing these transgressions up to our consulates. It would seem to be their business if US/Canadian citizens were
having trouble complying with residency requirements.
[Edited on 12-24-2009 by Hook]
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rockman
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I can only wonder what "Vandenberg" and "Dennis" have done, constructively, to improve the situation.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rockman
I can only wonder what "Vandenberg" and "Dennis" have done, constructively, to improve the situation. |
Excuse me. I hadn't heard that Mexico had risen above cynicism. When did that happen? Was it an accumulation of virtuous events that gained her that
new respect or was it one big event that I seem to have missed?
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BCSTech
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This From The La Paz Gringos NewsGroup This Morning
| Quote: | The Loreto Migracion office is under a Mx. Federal investigation, and they ARE serious. Both the US and the Canadian embassies are watching this
develop, as well. There have been arrests and those people have been jailed, at least one is out on a very substantial bail. The staff at the Loreto
Migracion office has been reported to use illegal and inappropriate practices during (but not limited to) completing paperwork for visitor's FM3s,
Visas, change of address, etc. Some of your friends have been involved directly in the uncovering of this (alleged) problem. Some of them have truly
put their lives on the line, here. The investigation IS VERY important, and is going forward. The BIG BOYS in Mexico City are involved. They are
actually trying to find and correct instances of corruption, and this is OUR chance to help.
Now - the new news is that a delegation of investigators is willing to come to both Loreto and to La Paz in order to take statements, called
"denuncias", about the alleged problems with Migracion. They plan to fly to the Baja this coming week. However, the person in charge and the one who
is most intent on really doing something about this corruption needs to prove to her boss that there are ENOUGH PEOPLE who have been effected by these
practices in Loreto.
This is where I am asking for your help: we need names of people who would be willing to make a statement, either in person OR online, regarding any
possible questionable problems you may have had at the Loreto Migracion office. This would include paying money directly to the person in the
office/not being told to pay at the bank, not receiving a receipt or receiving an erroneous one, being charged any fines or extra monies of any kind,
any inappropriate behavior on the part of the staff, etc. Numbers of people is what is important here. We need to let the Mexican officials know that
we do not want to condone corruption in their offices (Hey, it IS a start), and that we will take action when offered the chance to help them help us.
Please, send me your names - first and last names - which can be put on a list. If you choose later not to participate either in person or online,
that is your choice. What we need now are names to show the authorities that there are many many people who have been recipients of questionable
practices here. I do believe that it is safe to participate, that there will be NO repercussions against any of us for doing so. I ask that you send
me your names so I may get them to the proper persons who will get a list to Mexico City immediately. This needs to be done now, today, so the plans
to come to the Baja next week can be made. I am sorry about the lack of notice, but here it is. Please send your names to sunloverConnie [-at-]
hotmail.com
Thank you to any of you who are willing to be included - Robin and Martin Hardy, The Cat's Meow |
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Bajajorge
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Old news but, Big shake up at San Felipe office a few years back. Besides some employees being on the take, one of the them supposedly headed to
points unknown with $25,000 worth of FM3 funds. This of course was just gringo gossip.
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akshadow
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san felipe problems?
There was a shake up? Never heard of the idea of $25000 diappearing, but did hear of people who were using one of the employees to fill out the
applications and deposit money who had trouble when she (?) got out of the job. I thought much of the change in personnel had more to do with change
in government than any problem with the office personnel doing FM work.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajorge
Old news but, Big shake up at San Felipe office a few years back. Besides some employees being on the take, one of the them supposedly headed to
points unknown with $25,000 worth of FM3 funds. This of course was just gringo gossip. |
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flyfishinPam
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a bump!
later (hopefully later today) I will set up a separate thread regarding this issue. in a nutshell, the PGR in Nopolo hasn't been all to helpful in
receiving complaints and the online complaint form is cumbersome. HOWEVER a team of internal investigators will be returning to Loreto to receive
complaints after the holiday is over. Since I do not have the exact date or dates, times or location I will wait to post the notification until I
have these details.
But what I would particularly like to stress is that anyone who has been through the Loreto immigration system and who has a complaint to make should
make it. Right now there is a person who is guilty a sin that is still working their job. Until enough complaintants come forward and make these
reports this person will skate away unscathed. This should not happen because what they did severely hurt our town and our country. They took away
money that belonged to the government, they gave permission to those who did not have the legal right to have it in exchange for pay, they
intimidated, they damaged the reputation of this town, they hurt tourism, they demanded peoples hard earned money when it was convienent for them
among other things...and I encourage those of you who may be reading this to stay tuned and do your part to insure this never happens again. Please
stay tuned as I will start a separate thread as soon as I have the pertinent information but in the meantime, residents of Loreto who are in this
position please strongly consider supporting the efforts of these investigators and your friends and neighbors who have and plan to make complaints.
Feliz ano
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flyfishinPam
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the post that was made by BCStech on the 30th of December (above) lists the e-mail of the person that I am waiting on for the date/time/place when the
people from DF will be here to receive complaints. I am told the author of the letter has limited internet connectivity and that I may not hear back
from them today. the person belonging to that e-mail is a longtime respected Loreto resident so if any are hesitating to cooperate because they
aren't sure who will be receiving the information, just know that they're on our side. good people.
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norte
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"all that helpful"???? .Will we have protection at a later date from redrisal?
| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
a bump!
later (hopefully later today) I will set up a separate thread regarding this issue. in a nutshell, the PGR in Nopolo hasn't been all to helpful in
receiving complaints and the online complaint form is cumbersome. HOWEVER a team of internal investigators will be returning to Loreto to receive
complaints after the holiday is over. Since I do not have the exact date or dates, times or location I will wait to post the notification until I
have these details.
But what I would particularly like to stress is that anyone who has been through the Loreto immigration system and who has a complaint to make should
make it. Right now there is a person who is guilty a sin that is still working their job. Until enough complaintants come forward and make these
reports this person will skate away unscathed. This should not happen because what they did severely hurt our town and our country. They took away
money that belonged to the government, they gave permission to those who did not have the legal right to have it in exchange for pay, they
intimidated, they damaged the reputation of this town, they hurt tourism, they demanded peoples hard earned money when it was convienent for them
among other things...and I encourage those of you who may be reading this to stay tuned and do your part to insure this never happens again. Please
stay tuned as I will start a separate thread as soon as I have the pertinent information but in the meantime, residents of Loreto who are in this
position please strongly consider supporting the efforts of these investigators and your friends and neighbors who have and plan to make complaints.
Feliz ano |
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rockman
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If the Yankee patriots in 1776 had "norte"'s attitude, we would still be singing "God save the Queen". Surely we have that much conviction and
courage.
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bajabeachbabe
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Even those people who don't have complaints may have something to report. We have renewed our FM3's three times and now knowing what may have been
going on, I think only the first time we renewed might have been legal. With our first renewal, however, we were really unhappy with the service we
recevied.
We were sent all over town to locate forms that turned out to be non-existent, only to find that they had them readily available in the office. We
paid our fees at the bank. We were told that we had to come back in 45 days to pick up our renewed FM3's. This required us to make a special trip
back to Loreto to pick them up. We were really unhappy with the treatment and service we received.
The last two years we were able to get our renewals done in a week. We paid in the office and were surprised with how efficient the process had
become. We were happy campers!
The issues that everyone needs to ask themselves is:
Were you required to pay your fees at the bank?
Did you receive a receipt for your payment? (Our form was merely stamped "Paid".)
Were you charged the correct amount? I am pretty sure that this year we were charged the fee for a FM3 with work permit, not the retiree amount.
Nothing will ever change if we Loreto residents let corruption become the norm. This is a rare opportunity for us to have impact without being
Mexican citizens. Please consider reporting your experiences.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabeachbabe
Nothing will ever change if we Loreto residents let corruption become the norm. This is a rare opportunity for us to have impact without being
Mexican citizens. Please consider reporting your experiences. |
There's safety in numbers. I don't know what is worse.....corrupt officials or expats who don't have the nerve to stand up for themselves and rely on
others to do their fighting for them.
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