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bajabum
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I was in BOLA last october and there was a 60-70 foot yacht anchored in the bay, I asked Sammy Diaz about it and he said it was owned by Carlos Salim.
Apparently he is the senior partner in an investment group that has purchased a large parcel of land that goes from about don Juan cove all the way
around the back side of the bay to behind the town of BOLA. They plan to develop the land and build condos, hotels, and a casino. Sammy said they were
already grading the lots for the condos. between this and the activities at Gonzaga it seems that some are banking on this region turning into the
next Cabo...Its anybodys guess as to what is true or not and if any of this will ever become a reality but there is definetly sone serious cash behind
it.
Work is just something I do to keep me buzy between baja trips!
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Sharksbaja
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Yeah, can't wait for the chain-link fences to go up.
Salim?? Is he a Saudi Mexican? That would be perfect!!! They know how to ruin a desert.
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bajabum
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He is one of the richest guys in Mexico, right up there with gates and buffet so there is some serious cash behind the project and the clout to get
what he wants with the govt
Work is just something I do to keep me buzy between baja trips!
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PabloS
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Rock walls north of Agua Verde too.
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marv sherrill
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Problem number one - THERE IS NO WATER!!! IN ANIMAS OR La unica - aka Pescador - Unless a desalt plant goes in (which will fail due to lack of
maintenance) you can grade all you want and just have flat land devoid of vegetation - remember the "next Cabo" started just north of the Airport in
Bola years ago - scraped all the land laid out cool white rocks around each lot and - -nada - Next - Owner of Los Vientos Hotel bought up land around
La Gringa for the "next Cabo" - now the hotel is going under and is for sale.
Money talks, but talk is cheap - anyone can have their own opinion, but not their own facts.
As for the wall - I'm sure it has historical value, I have seen the site many times. Let those that are interested research its origins, but for now
- my opinion..- just let it be.
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Barry A.
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Well, I have been to Animas at least 20 times, staying a week each time, and I never saw the "wall". I sure wish some NOMAD-type had told ME about
it------I would have loved to have poked around there and speculated on what it was built for, and when. I thrive on stuff like that.
Maybe someday-------------
Barry
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Sharksbaja
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It all leads me to believe Davids' thoughts are true. No one seems to give a darn and I guess haven't taken the initiative to prove the point one way
or another save for Nomad Barry. Thanks Barry for involving your revelant friend.
I'm still waiting for his confirming report.
Davids determination seems based upon opinion rather than actual hard scientific evaluation however, hence my unrelenting diatribe.
No biggie, just another b-tchen' bahia I worry about is that so wrong????
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
It all leads me to believe Davids' thoughts are true. No one seems to give a darn and I guess haven't taken the initiative to prove the point one way
or another save for Nomad Barry. Thanks Barry for involving your revelant friend.
I'm still waiting for his confirming report.
Davids determination seems based upon opinion rather than actual hard scientific evaluation however, hence my unrelenting diatribe.
No biggie, just another b-tchen' bahia I worry about is that so wrong???? |
now that dk has published location, looters are knowledgeable of location and will go and dig pits, pillage, etc.
this site is a good example of why you should not post site info if you care about site. if you let dk and others blog about it, well, it won't be a
secret anymore, and carlos slim may come in his yacht and build a condo complex and resort on site 
thanks for ruining BOLA, dk
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David K
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Yah, that's me ruining BOLA? Just where is BO-LA anyway?
The rock wall is 35 miles from Bahia de los Angeles (L.A. Bay, I never say BOLA)... but you have never been off the pavement in a motorized vehicle
anyway, you walk everywhere right?
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wessongroup
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thanks, it is a good point.. and I don't usually agree with the goat..
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David K
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So, only Baja Nomads are bad people and will wreck the site?... never mind all the other sites that have been damaged or could be stabilized, but
aren't. This site is not unknown, it has been there for hundreds of years and has nothing to offer anyone... it is just interesting and with the
Choral Pepper connection, was specially interesting to me and Desert Magazine fans... not the kind of folks that ruin thins in Baja!
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
.............thanks for ruining BOLA, dk |
Now that a stretch of a real vivid imagination................
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Yah, that's me ruining BOLA? Just where is BO-LA anyway?
The rock wall is 35 miles from Bahia de los Angeles (L.A. Bay, I never say BOLA)... but you have never been off the pavement in a motorized vehicle
anyway, you walk everywhere right? |
i call that whole area bola. is not important what you, me or anyone calls it.
yes, i bike or hike when road ends. i am not into ruining desert...
dk, i don't expect you to appreciate preservation of artifacts or the desert,... fully expect you to rip/shred a new road and blog about it on
facey-space
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by marv sherrill
Owner of Los Vientos Hotel bought up land around La Gringa for the "next Cabo" - now the hotel is going under and is for sale.
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Well that is good news. That area is so beautiful. Almost as nice as Puerto Escondido had once been.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Yah, that's me ruining BOLA? Just where is BO-LA anyway?
The rock wall is 35 miles from Bahia de los Angeles (L.A. Bay, I never say BOLA)... but you have never been off the pavement in a motorized vehicle
anyway, you walk everywhere right? |
i call that whole area bola. is not important what you, me or anyone calls it.
yes, i bike or hike when road ends. i am not into ruining desert...
dk, i don't expect you to appreciate preservation of artifacts or the desert,... fully expect you to rip/shred a new road and blog about it on
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You have no idea since you selectivly do not read about my trips... I never support cross country driving. Baja already has roads to everywhere. Take
your beef to the Mexican people who open new roads across the desert... and 'ruin' it, as you say.
I do more to open awareness of important 'desert' locations and that have more chance of keeping someplace preserved than you ever will by all your
coplaining on things you do not know. Don't take my word for it, experts on desert ecology like Barry A. and Jack Swords (my partner on the Baja
Missions identification project) are the ones.
Your walking cross-country could do more harm than my driving on an established road, anyday!  
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
It all leads me to believe Davids' thoughts are true. No one seems to give a darn and I guess haven't taken the initiative to prove the point one way
or another save for Nomad Barry. Thanks Barry for involving your revelant friend.
I'm still waiting for his confirming report.
Davids determination seems based upon opinion rather than actual hard scientific evaluation however, hence my unrelenting diatribe.
No biggie, just another b-tchen' bahia I worry about is that so wrong???? |
Sharks------
In order for you to help put your mind at rest over this antiguities situation at Animas, I suggest you Google "Dr. Eric Ritter" to gain his personal
e-mail address and telephone number, and then Google "Dr. Eric Ritter Baja California" in order for you to gain some understanding of his credentials
in Baja CA archaeology.
Your concern over all this is understandable, and even admirable, but you don't seem to grant much credibility or trust in members of this NOMADS
board (and that too is probably understandable!?!?!? )
Barry
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David K
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As Corky and others know, it was Dr. Ritter who I called and discussed the site, if it was significant or not and if it could have a Jesuit
connection. A great big thank you to Barry for connecting Eric Ritter and I together by phone! I don't think there is a better archeologist available
on this area.
Just as reported in his papers, there are MANY such sites in that area, so it is not significant. He could not be sure if there was or was not a
mission connection, but he did forward my photos and findings to Dr. Michael Mathes... considered the current leading mission expert on Baja
California.
I also sent Dr. Mathes an email with the web page of the site http://vivabaja.com/109 and have not heard back from him in the past year since. Knowing Dr. Mathes' fealings about Choral Pepper's lost mission
chapters, I believe he dismissed our Jesuit connection with the Las Animas site for Santa Maria Magdalena.
So, as for follow up on the site, I think I did as much as possible to be sure it wasn't soooo fragile that telling you Baja fans about what we saw
there. We saw nothing fragile and the lead area archeologist was not alarmed or concerned about the site being published.
Case closed?
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Sharksbaja
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Ahhhhhh Soulpatch, not to worry please, David understands me I think.
I think we may get some closure here...
I know you you can't stand, as you see it, redundant posting on this subject. It certainly is, and my rhetoric remains the same until I feel safe
that my discovery and subsequent trust in David to "do the right thing" and be prudent about disclosure.
That he did not do. He did however enlist the likes of a few and they, w/o going there, concluded similar findings.
I would think that would be his civic duty, or at least that is what I hoped for when I divulged the site to DK.
DK and his cronies have made it clear that they think the place historically irrelevant and insignificant. I question that however, mainly because
investigating the how when and who of the walls and other old obviously man-made features nearby should take place and presidence before some
overzealous dude on some forum without formal training or expertise may be incorrect as well as his supporters who haven't actually walked or studied
the place and can make such conclusions. JMHO
David, you continue to claim the site unworthy of study. Frankly that does not seem to fit your motis operandi. You have stated coutless times how
much of ahistorian and what a preservationist of Bajas' historical treasures you are.
Anyhoo, it confuses me that you won't persue the history of that site more vigorously, especially since you exploited it so well.
Give me the facts and resources that back up those claims David or STFU, or I will, is that fair enuff?
I never doubted any of your contact general authority and expertise. Now with all that said, I will just remain unconvinced until an actual (real)
assessment is done. That way you may be proven correct.
Case unclosed. Have a nice day.
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Barry A.
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Sharks, I repeat:
"Sharks------
In order for you to help put your mind at rest over this antiquities situation at Animas, I suggest you Google "Dr. Eric Ritter" to gain his personal
e-mail address and telephone number, and then Google "Dr. Eric Ritter Baja California" in order for you to gain some understanding of his credentials
in Baja CA archaeology."
If you want "closure" (which you don't appear to want) on this issue, why not contact the expert? Hopefully that would be the "documentation" and
"reference" that you say you want.
(unless you just want to head-butt???------a more likely scenario)
Barry
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Sharks, I repeat:
"Sharks------
In order for you to help put your mind at rest over this antiquities situation at Animas, I suggest you Google "Dr. Eric Ritter" to gain his personal
e-mail address and telephone number, and then Google "Dr. Eric Ritter Baja California" in order for you to gain some understanding of his credentials
in Baja CA archaeology."
If you want "closure" (which you don't appear to want) on this issue, why not contact the expert? Hopefully that would be the "documentation" and
"reference" that you say you want.
(unless you just want to head-butt???------a more likely scenario)
Barry |
i googled him. based on id for a recent paper he appears to be a blm emplyee who teaches pt at shasta comm college. unclear if he has ever looked at
site.
i have suspicion about competency of any govt employee. it's just that govt employment doesn't indicate above average intellect.
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