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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Donjulio
but I tell you what, I'd rather hang out with most Mexicans than the gringos any day. |
What Gringos are you talking about?
What Mexicans are you talking about?
Seems you have a penchant for choosing people by race.
Are you a racist...like you accused me of being?
I'm not a racist, but it appears you are.
Why are you like that, jewelio? You know we're all equal.
Contain yourself, you loser racist. Repent Repent Repent. Your admitted sins have shown your true color. |
Well you and your alter ego Arrowhead wouldnt be getting invitations to any bbq's I can tell you that. But I must ask. Don't you have anything to say
about the TOPIC and the information presented?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Donjulio
Don't you have anything to say about the TOPIC and the information presented? |
Perhaps, since we all here have muddled the past, you will reiterate the essence of the thread and restate your long forgotten question. That would
be nice.
Oh, yeah.....would you do that with respect to the short time we all have left in this life? A summery will put us back on track.
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No Kyle, you lose on this one. You cannot even read a chart. The chart you referenced has two tabs; Total incidents and per capita incidents. You
linked to the total incidents. Since the US has three times the population as Mexico, it could have more incidents. But Kyle, go to the only chart
that matters -- per capital. You will see that Mexico is ranked #6 on the planet in murders per capita, while the US is down at #24.
And on your next link, on corruption. you do not even understand the chart you linked. The chart works in reverse of the way you think. The higher
then number, the less corrupt the country. The US is ranked at 7.6, Mexico is ranked at 3.5.
We already know you have perception problems, but are you a tweeker?
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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Donjulio
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
No Kyle, you lose on this one. You cannot even read a chart. The chart you referenced has two tabs; Total incidents and per capita incidents. You
linked to the total incidents. Since the US has three times the population as Mexico, it could have more incidents. But Kyle, go to the only chart
that matters -- per capital. You will see that Mexico is ranked #6 on the planet in murders per capita, while the US is down at #24.
And on your next link, on corruption. you do not even understand the chart you linked. The chart works in reverse of the way you think. The higher
then number, the less corrupt the country. The US is ranked at 7.6, Mexico is ranked at 3.5.
We already know you have perception problems, but are you a tweeker? |
Arrowhead - I am very much aware of the tabs. I am not interested in per capita, I am interested in total crime. You can bring the per capita in to
try and prove your point but that's NOT the point. The point is who has more crime, who has more murders, who has more corruption, rapes etc.
You are continuously arguing that Mexico is so unsafe. Well this obviously shows that the US is a lot less safe than Mexico. Who cares how many people
there are. If you are in the US or Mexico or anywhere else in the world and at the wrong place at the wrong time you can become a victim of a crime or
die.
Your problem is that for some reason you have a burr up your ass about Mexico and so therefore you want to take things out of context to try and prove
your point. Unfortunately this time you are just plain wrong.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Donjulio
I am not interested in per capita, I am interested in total crime. |
So...5000 murders in Monaco, a country of 32,000 people wouldn't be a statistic that would get your attention since the death rate from that cause
didn't come close to the US number.
You're arguement is melting, jewelio.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
So, you're saying that you trust me, a perfect stranger, with having a gun, even as our paths cross? Don't want to get to didactic here, but if you
compare murder rates around the world, the stats generally support the idea that in countries with either strong handgun controls, or even bans,
murder rates are lower. Sure, guns provide individuals with a sense of security. But they also make it so much easier to inflict a lethal wound.
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yes, i trust you, and the thousands of strangers/drivers of lethal weapons (vehicles) i must coexist with on my weekly commute to and fro 29 Palms.
when your/my time comes fate will let us know it!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
| Quote: | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100320/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_dru...
"The annual murder rate for the estimated 500,000 American citizens in Mexico at any one time has risen ...
How about the murder rate for the estimated 3 million Mexicans illegally living in the US and included in the stupid statistics that the UN put out
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Why Mexico's murder rates mean nothing... a recent example:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/21/week-mexico-3...
"The official death toll for Mexican journalists for the year is four. The Inter-American Press Association says a fifth was recently killed in the
border city of Reynosa, but media outlets there have been too afraid to file a police report."
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Donjulio
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Why Mexico's murder rates mean nothing... a recent example:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/21/week-mexico-3...
"The official death toll for Mexican journalists for the year is four. The Inter-American Press Association says a fifth was recently killed in the
border city of Reynosa, but media outlets there have been too afraid to file a police report." |
WOW - lets do the math on this one. If they only have 3100 more unreported than they will catch up to the US -
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That post made you think of math? That was a simple example of how stats are wrong. The murder rate for journalists is 20% less than reported (1 out
of 5). That is a fact. More tinfoil for you maybe?
In the USA murders do go unsolved, but rarely unreported. How many unreported bodies in the pozole-maker Ensenada stew?
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Whoa! I didn't think that Ensenada was the site of world class pozole. You sure it wasn't TJ?
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Donjulio
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
That post made you think of math? That was a simple example of how stats are wrong. The murder rate for journalists is 20% less than reported (1 out
of 5). That is a fact. More tinfoil for you maybe?
In the USA murders do go unsolved, but rarely unreported. How many unreported bodies in the pozole-maker Ensenada stew? |
You guys are a riot. Thank goodness the tinfoil will insulate me from your brainwaves.
Total crimes by country:
# 1 United States: 11,877,218
# 12 Mexico: 1,516,029
US is number 1 and Mexico is not even in the top 10.
And as far as corruption:
# 17 United States: 7.6
= 65 Mexico: 3.5
Bet you were hoping for alphabetical order.
Apparently this tinfoil cap of mine not only looks good but seems to have a way of filtering the BS out of the truth.
Your turn Mr. Happy!
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Mr. Happy may be a euphemism for something far away from this discussion. That said, there is no getting away from the fact that the US has an
unconscionable rate of crime. We have built prison after prison. We have what some may feel as draconian laws (think 3 strikes), but we still have a
crime rate that should be embarrassing to most citizens. I'm guessing that it's related to our failure to properly fund our educational system, and
our lack of focused rehabilitation for those who are incarcerated.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Mr. Happy may be a euphemism for something far away from this discussion. That said, there is no getting away from the fact that the US has an
unconscionable rate of crime. We have built prison after prison. We have what some may feel as draconian laws (think 3 strikes), but we still have a
crime rate that should be embarrassing to most citizens. I'm guessing that it's related to our failure to properly fund our educational system, and
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Your forgot the illegal immigrants who committed crimes. What's the national percentage of illegal immigrants in US prisons? I know the CA number is
huge, but what is it nationally? That should be a real, verifiable number.
As Investors Business Daily reported in March 2005:
"The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some
estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and
creates a nightmare for local police forces."
And the New York Times in 2007:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/19/us/19immig.
"Latinos made up only 13 percent of the United States adult population in 2007, but they accounted for one third of federal prison inmates that year,
a result the study attributed to the sharp rise in illegal immigration and tougher enforcement of immigration laws."
And yes, the pozole-maker did his work in Ensenada (back from the beach though)
[Edited on 3-21-2010 by Woooosh]
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No pozole with my fish tacos tonight.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
No pozole with my fish tacos tonight. |
... and fresh local lobster is out of season until September. What's a seafood lover to do?
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Well now we switched to how many Mexicans are in jail in the US. I fear for them because I know the steel bars don't work near as good as my tinfoil
hat.
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It's crime rate... right? Take ONE-THIRD of the USA crime number and put it in the Mexico column- where it belongs. And that's just for convicted,
in jail crimes committed by Mexican illegals who are NOT american by definition. How's your crime number looking now foilman?
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Don't know if anyone has or could compile stats for it, but it just seems to me that any illegal with half a brain would refrain from criminal
activity, lest they get deported. One would think that such people would really want to stay under the radar. That said, acknowledging that there are
many illegals who do nothing more than work hard, obey all other laws, and send money to their families should not necessarily be targeted. I have
absolutely no problem whatsoever with incarcerating and ultimately deporting anyone who comes to this country and commits crimes.
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Donjulio
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
It's crime rate... right? Take ONE-THIRD of the USA crime number and put it in the Mexico column- where it belongs. And that's just for convicted,
in jail crimes committed by Mexican illegals who are NOT american by definition. How's your crime number looking now foilman?
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You are changing the subject again. The subject is the amount of crime in the country and the safety of the country. Who is committing the crimes is
irrelevant to the topic.
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