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longlegsinlapaz
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Very well said ecomujeres!!
DK, your attempting to put a political spin on everything is sooooo tiresome. And your oft repeated feeble efforts to "justify" your breaking the
law in a country you profess to love is beyond ludicrous! Screw liberal, right, left, conservative, socialism & any other political leaning!
What part of respecting Mexican law & encouraging others to do the same for the good of the multitude of species that inhabit & reproduce on
the beach do you not understand?
You personally have posted pics of bird eggs & hatchlings....pics taken on the beaches you drive on! How many more do you think you drove over
& murdered to get to the point you finally saw one to take a pic of?
I can't speak for all the beaches in Baja, but I know the majority of La Paz area beaches are posted with anti-motorized vehicle warnings.
"IT'S THE LAW" of a country you occasionally visit really should suffice!
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Russ
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I understand that driving any thing on the beach could damage eggs or spawn from a whole variety of critters so I ride as responsible as
possible in sensitive areas. However, I think some of the energy spent here bashing quad riders could be better directed toward protecting the
critters themselves. Nets and commercial interest take breading wildlife and juveniles of a lot of shoreline breading animals. I've seen many nets
with dead fish too small for market or with dead and dying turtles. There are many places I would never have enjoyed if I hadn't used the quad.
[Edited on 5-26-2010 by Russ]
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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Bajafun777
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Some of the beaches and dunes are so remote how would you ever get to them unless by boat or trying to walk in, which would be too far for most people
to do. Again, it maybe the law but where is that law written and who is interpeting it to be that you can not drive down to the beaches?? I again
state that I have been passed as I was walking on beaches or on a beach cruiser bike by Army vehicles, beach patrol, mexican government agencies that
I do not even know who they are do the all of the writing on the doors, etc.
Again, laws are written and interpeted in many ways, that is why we have so many stinking attorneys and judges to blood suck off of us to tell us
there opinion on it. Hell, even the Constitution decisions are overtuned by later decisions on something was was recognized as legal before here in
the States and Mexico is no different. It is legal today, Should be legal tomorrow, Maybe Legal for the moment if you have the magic and on and on it
goes. I guess some will deal with this issue as they can when it comes up but maybe it would be helpful to see the posted law!!
I really do not race up and down beaches but I do like to get access to where they are and on foot from roadways miles away not an option. More
damage done to beaches and wildlife by mother nature than anything else, anyone not seen the storm pictures from Mexico. It is like riding a
motorcycle you see more taking the easy ride down the coast than you do in a car or truck. Those seeking restrictions on areas simply because of a few
that do harm is also unacceptable. Anyone that would seek to harm or destroy a turtle, eggs, etc. are those that do other destructive things daily but
the others doing no harm should not be punished or restricted.
Mexico has a right to implement any laws they want and the long beach areas of no population or signs of any life are there to be enjoyed as you can.
Same goes for the areas in California,which are few and far between that you can access only by jeep or some type of quad. Restrictions for exceptions
to the rule are why I keep looking down further to Costa Rica and other Central American Countries to have some ability to just enjoy life without the
B.S. Everybody wants the United States people to over look our own laws for massive attacks on them with interpetations different from the written
word but now the same people of thought wants everyone to adhere to something they have not even seen. If it is that important and enforced that
restrictive then Mexico should post it so travelers and visitors see it, maybe Texas,Alabama,Mississippi, L.A.,Florida beaches have a better pull if
Mexico goes into full force and effect on no riding on beaches. Have had my fill of the "Sky Is Falling Crap." "No Hurry, No Worry, Just Fun"
Later-------------- bajafun777
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dtbushpilot
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What 777 said...
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by dtutko1
...but most gringos feel it is there right to destroy turtle nests and ride regularly. |
That's the silliest thing I have read yet!
So, Mexican nationals don't ride on the beach? How about horses, or just people walking??? A foot will go deeper into the sand than a quad tire.
Everyone should stay away from turtle nests, but a quad is probably the least harmful way to travel the beach. |
YES, everyone
[Edited on 5-26-2010 by durrelllrobert]
[Edited on 5-26-2010 by durrelllrobert]
trying again
http://s252.photobucket.com/albums/hh37/durrellrobert/sea%20...
[Edited on 5-27-2010 by durrelllrobert]
Bob Durrell
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Cypress
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Bajafun777, The beaches of Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Florida, as I type this, are being threatened by an oil leak of unimaginable
proportions.
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classicbajabronco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Bajafun777, The beaches of Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Florida, as I type this, are being threatened by an oil leak of unimaginable
proportions. |
And what exactly does this have to do with riding quads on the beach in BCS
I agree with 777 100% well put amigo
[Edited on 5-26-2010 by classicbajabronco]
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DianaT
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Some interesting reads----but in the end, it is a matter of the law and the enforcement of the law.
I doubt the law will be enforced everywhere any time soon and locals and tourists will continue to drive on the Federal Zone. It will be interesting
to see what happens if the law begins to be enforced in more areas.
The entire federal zone thing will be very interesting some day in Bahia Asuncion as there are roads, homes, and businesses that are on the federal
zone----one of the roads is the one used by the 24/7 patrol looking for poachers. And people are still building on the federal zone today.
I would like to see more beaches and dunes protected, but when we are in Bahia Asuncion, we are guilty of driving on the Federal Zone everyday---on
the roads around town.
It matters little if anyone here agrees or not with the law. Mexico will make the decisions.
[Edited on 5-27-2010 by DianaT]
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Osprey
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Maybe someone with good statistics can chime in here -- I have heard that the things that decimate the turtle population the most are coyotes, ravens
and shore birds. It makes perfect sense because turtles have learned to lay their eggs where the beach is still remote (dark, not many lights from
large nearby population centers). So after the eggs are laid and when they hatch people of every stripe on quads can scare off their natural predators
-- that is, if the the motos can get to the beach, legal use and access or not. You quad guys could form squadrons, plan and coordinate attacks on the
turtle's shoreline enemies.
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Cypress
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classicbajabronco, 777 brought the gulf states into the discussion and I responded. Ask him.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajafun777
If it is that important and enforced that restrictive then Mexico should post it so travelers and visitors see it, Later--------------
bajafun777 |
They put up signs in Bahia Asuncion, but no one enforces it so no one pays any attention to the signs, except during the fiesta when it was enforced.
But I imagine that the signs are the beginning and enforcement will follow sometime.
But, as I stated before, in our area there are roads on the Federal Zone and people are still building new structures on the Federal Zone--will be
interesting someday.
[Edited on 5-27-2010 by DianaT]
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ecomujeres
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Osprey: I don't know how to direct you to the exact responses, but if you go to this thread
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=44078#pid4926...
you will see several responses about ATV's/dangers to turtles, two by me, and one by another person who has worked hands-on with turtle conservation.
I had recently attended a three day conference on sea turtle conservation at the time I wrote my replies.
ATV's and other vehicles add to all of the other threats encountered by turtles, beach nesting birds and crustaceans/fish fry of all kinds.
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classicbajabronco
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Fish Fry? Tell me when and where and I'll bring the tartar sauce!!!
I love Fish Fries....
Someone else please provide the cerveca
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dtbushpilot
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I've got the beer covered.....I'll load it on the quad and meet you at the beach
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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classicbajabronco
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great.... I'll load mine full of tartar sauce, and will run over as many crabs on the way out I see on the beach to use for bait in case we run out of
fish for the fish fry.
Maybe someone else can load a Stereo on their quad, and someone else can bring a school bus full of mujeres...Because Mujeres love fish frys too....
It was ecomujeres idea in the first place to have a fish fry?
[Edited on 5-28-2010 by classicbajabronco]
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DianaT
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Ah yes, and maybe someone can bring along a turtle for the soup---does happen in our area at times.
Then again, a couple of fishermen lost their jobs for a year because they had a turtle aboard--- So enforcement in harvesting turtles is happening.
So hopefully, maybe some day they will enforce the law against riding on the beach and destroying habitat for some critters.
But it will probably happen later that sooner, so enjoy the ride. 
[Edited on 5-28-2010 by DianaT]
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classicbajabronco
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Are they going to enforce the law by riding on the beach to see if anyone is breaking the law by riding on the beach..
The turtle people here ride on the beach in groups of 3 , all on their own quad to see if there are any turtle nests. They don't seem to have a
problem with driving on the beach judging by their actions. They have seen me numerous times riding on the beach....but then again they are my
family.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by classicbajabronco
Are they going to enforce the law by riding on the beach to see if anyone is breaking the law by riding on the beach..
The turtle people here ride on the beach in groups of 3 , all on their own quad to see if there are any turtle nests. They don't seem to have a
problem with driving on the beach judging by their actions. They have seen me numerous times riding on the beach....but then again they are my
family. |
As already stated, it is not a law that is enforced everywhere----yet and may never be.
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Curt63
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Thats classic Bronco. Let me get this straight. The guys that inspect turtle habitat in your area ride quads on the beach in groups of three.
You weren't joking or stretching the truth were you?
Either way, lots of perspectives shared. Thanks for all the input.
Cheers
No worries
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monoloco
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I am guilty of having driven all sorts of vehicles on the beaches of Baja and always thought that the destroying turtle thing was over-hyped until
last December, walking on the beach encountered over a hundred baby turtles that were unable to make it to the water because of vehicle tracks. We
spent about an hour helping the babies on their way, and now I have a bit of a different attitude about driving on the beach.
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