Originally posted by MrBillM
I'd be willing to bet that 90 % + of those who obsess over the profound words of BD would have failed a Drug Test at some time during their lives.
MrBileM:
do you think many of us would look to you for opinions on miusic?
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
marijuana use does not imply that harder drugs will ensue.
I wonder how many who haven't tried marijuana graduated to harder drugs?
As in, how many who haven't had a beer ended up a 5th of vodka a day Alky?
Statistics support the notion that decriminalizing or legalizing pot does not lead to a statistically significant increase in pot use, let alone hard
drug use. There's a rather long standing stable percentage of the populace that are addictive personalities. Their choice of intoxicants is somewhat
immaterial. Abusers will abuse.
Originally posted by MitchMan
Skipjack, couldn't agree with you more on Rex Harrison. He talked his way through all the songs in My Fair Lady --- and it worked. Mick Jagger talks
his way through virtually all his songs. I wouldn't have it any other way. Remember Satisfaction, Sympathy For The Devil, Little Red Rooster,
Midnight Rambler. Wouldn't have it any other way.
Can you imagine what it would sound like if John Gary, Johnny Mathis, or Pavarotti did those songs -- and they have great voices?
Originally posted by MitchMan
Can you imagine what it would sound like if John Gary, Johnny Mathis, or Pavarotti did those songs -- and they have great voices?
"Well, I took me a woman late last night
I's three-fourths drunk she looked all right
'Til she started peelin' off her onion gook
She took off her wig, said, "How do I look" ?
I's high flyin', bare naked ...Out the window".
Except the "Out the Window". They were never that bad.
More profound was the philosopher Paul Simon when he said:
"If you took all the girls I knew When I was single
And brought them all together for one night I know
they’d never match my sweet imagination. Everything
looks worse in black and white".
Still don't like Bob Dylan, respect his run in the music world but just don't dig his style. Not a big fan of the Grateful Dead either or the Stones,
yet I am a rocker.
How does it feel
How does it feel
To be without a home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone ?
You've gone to the finest school all right, Miss Lonely
But you know you only used to get juiced in it
And nobody has ever taught you how to live on the street
And now you find out you're gonna have to get used to it
You said you'd never compromise
etc, etc
This song sounds like a rant. And he sings it that way. Montoned, vengeful, bitter and angry. I can only listen to this stuff so long before I need to
come up for air.
It's so different from your usual pop songs and so real. Who hasn't felt the pain of being jilted? You're in a world of hurt with no way out it seems.
Nobody sings it so raw and honest as he does. Well, nobody is an exaggeration.
I'm sorry. If you don't like Dylan I suggest you listen to Andy Williams "Born Free" and compare.
Originally posted by MrBillM
I'd be willing to bet that 90 % + of those who obsess over the profound words of BD would have failed a Drug Test at some time during their lives.
.....and your point is.....?
When is the last time you would have blown over .08????
Agreed. Not sure what that point is. But I'll guarantee one thing: If you ask Paul Simon who is the greatest songwriter of the last 50 years he'd say
Dylan hands down. Outside of himself of course
Originally posted by MrBillM
I'd be willing to bet that 90 % + of those who obsess over the profound words of BD would have failed a Drug Test at some time during their lives.
.....and your point is.....?
When is the last time you would have blown over .08????
You should not question his motivation, besides he knows everything. Just ask him.
Originally posted by redhilltown
Agreed. Not sure what that point is. But I'll guarantee one thing: If you ask Paul Simon who is the greatest songwriter of the last 50 years he'd say
Dylan hands down. Outside of himself of course
He might even INCLUDE himself, and he would be right. Paul Simon is an excellent songwriter/singer/musician, but I'm not sure I'd call him a
"philosopher."
Many people were disappointed with BD because he wanted nothing to do with a leadership role in any of the movements going on in the 60's and 70's.
It's always been my guess (and its just a guess) that he knew he didn't possess the knowledge base, education, intellectuallity or the required work
ethic that an ultimately successful public leadership role would take. That's not immoral or even bad. Most people wouldn't possess such resources,
cerainly not me.
BD was/is an artist and a darn good one. I loved his creativity, his melodies and songs and I love his voice -- really fits his songs well. He came
along at a perfect time for his artistry. But, I have to keep reminding myself that he was not then and not now a political intellectual. He's a
singer song writer and I love his stuff. That's it.
I am enjoying your perspectives in this string. I think you "get" Dylan.
Dylan, the man scoffs at the idea of being a philosopher, and he will not/is incapable of taking on that role publicly. Dylan, the songwriter/singer
is a philosopher/psychic.
As an artist, he is a medium. Universal messages pass through artist/mediums and they, themselves, could not tell you where their ideas came from.
His concentration and artistry has always been the music. When artists evolve and change, i.e. when he went electric, the public usually resists. They
don't like change. All Dylan really wanted to do was to improve as a singer.
In retrospect, his evolution has been good, and successful! It is not necessarily better...just different. I think the difference is; he changed from
a poet to an improved singer; more melodic and musically more mature.
What he did in the beginning is great in its own right.That is still my favorite Dylan. It stands alone and apart, and really shouldn't be compared
with his mid-career and later work. His early work embodies a whole era. It is representative of the 60s generation. Everybody relates to it.
For most, it conjures good memories...nostalgia, if you will. For
others, it represents a political, reactionary conservatism; an era to be reviled. They are stuck/frozen in that mindset. We, as much as they try to pigeon hole us as stereotypes, have moved on.
"If it were lush and rich, one could understand the pull, but it is fierce and hostile and sullen.
The stone mountains pile up to the sky and there is little fresh water. But we know we must go back
if we live, and we don't know why." - Steinbeck, Log from the Sea of Cortez
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others, it represents a political, reactionary conservatism; an era to be reviled. 
They are stuck/frozen in that mindset. We, as much as they try to pigeon hole us as stereotypes, have moved on. 