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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I've often wondered how many people move to Baja for cheap cigarettes and bars that tolerate smokers. |
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the only reason but certainly an additional consideration 
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
.. in our society people with healthy lifestyles pay for the unhealthy choices of others in the form of higher insurance premiums and health care
costs. |
? proof for this claim?
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Bajahowodd
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US Life Expectancy Declines (slightly)
Data show that from 2007 to 2008, life expectancy in the US declined slightly. Not to mention that there are a number of countries around the world
that have longer life expectancy than we do.
Interesting to note that despite the ever-loving plate lunch replete with spam and gravy, Hawaiians boast the highest life expectancy by state.
http://news.discovery.com/human/united-states-life-expectanc...
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
The old saying when someone died... Well, it was their time...
Now we know so much more... we now know, it wasn't their time.. rather they ate too much bad food, drank too much, smoked too much, live in an area
with bad air quality... et al...
[Edited on 12-26-2010 by wessongroup] |
so, when the cancer rate doesn't decline proportional to the percentage of smokers, can we blame it on second hand smoke?
Not according to this joint report by the National Cancer Institute ; the American Cancer Society: the North American
Association of Central Cancer Registrie: the National Institute on Aging; and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention (CDC); National Center for Health Services and the National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion. that
states : "The single most important risk factor for cancer is age. Because the U.S. population is both growing and aging, the authors focused on how,
even if rates of cancer remain constant, the number of people diagnosed with cancer will increase.
The authors projected the cancer burden in about 50 years from now by applying U.S. Census Bureau population projections to current cancer incidence
rates. "If cancer rates follow current patterns, we anticipate a doubling from 1.3 million people in 2000 to 2.6 million people in 2050 diagnosed with
cancer," said Holly L. Howe, Ph.D., executive director of NAACCR. "The number of cancer patients age 85 and over is expected to increase four-fold in
this same time period,"
Website: http://newscenter.cancer.gov/pressreleases/2002reportq&a... http://www.seer.cancer.gov/ http://www.cancer.gov/ http://www.cancer.org/ http://www.cdc.gov/cancer http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/about/major/dvs/mortdata.htm http://www.naaccr.org/ http://www.nia.nih.gov/
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wessongroup
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Hawaiian's that I have meet .... don't sweat the small stuff.. easy life style and very relaxed way of living... if you don't mind going out an
killing some wild pigs.. or cliff diving .... and surfing a lot.. hanging out at the beach... hell, even Mike Tyson fit in and like them.
And for old age... yep... as we continue to extend life expectancy ... gee, we will have more medical problems.. gee, what a shocker that one is .....
Recall when growing up.... people that were in their 60's were considered old, 70.. OMG.. 80.. you got to be kidding.. 90.. unheard of.. 100...
everyone stand up and give a show of respect...
Hear some say that 60 is the new 40's .....  when your 60 your old .... don't let anyone kid ya... your not 40 your 60... not real good with math.. but, still
know 40 ain't 60...
[Edited on 12-26-2010 by wessongroup]
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burnrope
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I like what Mark Twain said, "To quit is easy, I've quit a hundred times."
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MrBillM
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Back in the Day ?
There was NEVER a day when WE didn't KNOW that Cigarettes were DANGEROUS.
Long before any person ALIVE here or anywhere on Earth existed Cigarettes were referred to as "Coffin Nails".
As far as quitting goes, EVERYONE who smokes will Quit someday.
Forever.
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I've often said, what if everyone quits smoking, what will they tax to make up the difference? Where will the government get its money?
Well, my question was answered in California. Saw a news report a couple of months ago, that California welfare will no longer provide "mamograms" to women on the welfare medical programs. This due to "the lack of tax money from
tobacco".
So, keep on puffin, our quality of healthcare depends on it.
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MrBillM
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Living Healthy and Breaking the System
Back when the Health-care Legislation debate was ongoing and claims were being made that more comprehensive early Health-Care, including early
Prevention, would lower Health Costs and help to pay for the program, it was countered that earlier surveys had shown exactly the opposite.
Charles Krauthammer, a former Surgeon, noted that comprehensive early care could be justified on many counts, including moral, but Cost-Effectiveness
had NEVER been one of them. The studies done while he was practicing indicated that prolonging life by early intervention in deadly disease resulted
in Higher costs in later life to people who would otherwise have died and relieved pressure on the system.
So, not only do those smokers perform a service by providing important tax dollars for other uses, but their shortened-Lifecycle helps defray medical
costs.
"Smoke, Smoke, Smoke that Cigarette. Puff, Puff, Puff until you Puff yourself to Death. Tell St. Peter at the Golden Gate that you hate to make him
wait, but you've got to have another Cigarette".
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
"Smoke, Smoke, Smoke that Cigarette. Puff, Puff, Puff until you Puff yourself to Death. Tell St. Peter at the Golden Gate that you hate to make him
wait, but you've got to have another Cigarette". |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbKQklwNScA
http://tinyurl.com/236ubzh
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[Edited on 12-28-2010 by DENNIS]
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