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Thanks Just Joe-the fact that Woooosh told a story of killing school age children-was that a rumor? This is how they start. Then you have the usual
suspects chiming in, 2 mentioning they haven't been here in over 5 years...gee, I wonder why? People like you scaring the crap out of
everyone.......wish you would stop-do you want to quote me crime stats in, say, New Orleans or Miami-? Sure they are horrific. Follow the normal
sanity guidelines and you'll be ok, just sayin'......and as far as the "leak" you make it sound as if the whole ocean is polluted because of it-in so
ca. there was a leak every other day in Dana Point-of course it does not make it right but you are once again sounding the alarm-and my dolphins are
still here.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Well, thats another way of looking at it... isn't it...
Wasn't aware a simple cut and paste would be considered MY idea's...
As I didn't claim authorship, rather just googled the subject and found this article.. and cut and pasted, if there are discrepancy in the report I
will stand correct on all error's which you find...
As stated before the "perception" as created by some... and gee, big surprise their numbers would be lower... pound sand.. |
Not sure about the site rules, but I thought attribution to a source was customary. That's all.
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The alter-alter ego
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Ohhh...yeah. I like that. Every utterance is an echo...of an echo.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by krafty
Thanks Just Joe-the fact that Woooosh told a story of killing school age children-was that a rumor? This is how they start. Then you have the usual
suspects chiming in, 2 mentioning they haven't been here in over 5 years...gee, I wonder why? People like you scaring the crap out of
everyone.......wish you would stop-do you want to quote me crime stats in, say, New Orleans or Miami-? Sure they are horrific. Follow the normal
sanity guidelines and you'll be ok, just sayin'......and as far as the "leak" you make it sound as if the whole ocean is polluted because of it-in so
ca. there was a leak every other day in Dana Point-of course it does not make it right but you are once again sounding the alarm-and my dolphins are
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Are you insane? Show me the post where "Woooosh told a story of killing school age children". It does not exist. I post as "woooosh" only, on four
baja-related sites: BajaNomads, TalkBaja, the Fulano Files and Maggies Madness. Check there too.
BTW- The water in the USA is no less polluted, but two wrongs don't make a right. In the USA the sewaqe infrastructure fails, in Mexico there fails
to be adequate sewage infrastructure.
I learned young not to have a war of words with the unarmed, so I won't. geeesh.
[Edited on 1-28-2011 by Woooosh]
[Edited on 1-28-2011 by Woooosh]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I thought attribution to a source was customary. That's all. |
But not necessary. [Diogenes the Cynic]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Now if you want to know what's racist it's Whooosh talking about " philosophy of "manana" and how Mexicans only peek out their windows and don't march
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I'm not following your logic here. Mexicans are not a race, they are a nationality. This woman is a Mexican:
You seem to be conflating entirely different issues. |
those are men's calves/feet. i've seen them at the bars on revolucion...
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by krafty
Thanks Just Joe-the fact that Woooosh told a story of killing school age children-was that a rumor? This is how they start. Then you have the usual
suspects chiming in, 2 mentioning they haven't been here in over 5 years...gee, I wonder why? People like you scaring the crap out of
everyone.......wish you would stop-do you want to quote me crime stats in, say, New Orleans or Miami-? Sure they are horrific. Follow the normal
sanity guidelines and you'll be ok, just sayin'......and as far as the "leak" you make it sound as if the whole ocean is polluted because of it-in so
ca. there was a leak every other day in Dana Point-of course it does not make it right but you are once again sounding the alarm-and my dolphins are
still here. |
Yes shame on Whooosh posing rumors about drug cartels retaliating against little elementary children. Shame on the "AFN" and Maggie Madness too
posting crank calls as news!
Whooosh who cares what the Catholic Church says about "Exorcism" and the fight against drug cartels. How is that different from the right-wing
Evangelicals in the US fighting for the soul of America by waging a war against same-sex marriage? I would only be concerned if the Mexican
Government enlisted Catholics Priests in the "war on drugs" and believed the Priests could win the war by the use of exorcist practices. I know a few
ex and current "Nomad" members that need the help of these priests that know how to expel their inner demons.
Whooosh manana. 
Now Jay Garcia,aka Fulano when did I say Mexicans were a race? They should call it a race. My birth Certificate says under race "white" and my
parents are Caucasian. That's almost an insult for Latinos, but yes right now being Mexican is a ethnicity or heritage.
Woody it's racist logic. But the logic here is since Mexicans aren't a race then how can it be racist? You see the same logic used by racist when they
are degrading Muslims. They say how can it be racist if being Muslim is only a religion? It doesn't really matter it you attack someones ethic
heritage or religion. It's still a racial attack against certain kind of people.
BTW Fulano I saw a good write up on you in the "Rodrigo Playground." Wow are you really that sick?
http://rodrigoplayground.blogspot.com/
[Edited on 1-29-2011 by JoeJustJoe]
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
| Quote: | Originally posted by krafty
Thanks Just Joe-the fact that Woooosh told a story of killing school age children-was that a rumor? This is how they start. Then you have the usual
suspects chiming in, 2 mentioning they haven't been here in over 5 years...gee, I wonder why? People like you scaring the crap out of
everyone.......wish you would stop-do you want to quote me crime stats in, say, New Orleans or Miami-? Sure they are horrific. Follow the normal
sanity guidelines and you'll be ok, just sayin'......and as far as the "leak" you make it sound as if the whole ocean is polluted because of it-in so
ca. there was a leak every other day in Dana Point-of course it does not make it right but you are once again sounding the alarm-and my dolphins are
still here. |
Yes shame on Whooosh posing rumors about drug cartels retaliating against little elementary children. Shame on the "AFN" and Maggie Madness too
posting crank calls as news!
Whooosh who cares what the Catholic Church says about "Exorcism" and the fight against drug cartels. How is that different from the right-wing
Evangelicals in the US fighting for the soul of America by wages a war against same-sex marriage? I would only be concerned if the Mexican Government
enlisted Catholics Priests in the "war on drugs" and believed the Priests could win the war by the use of exorcist practices. I know a few ex and
current "Nomad" members that need the help of these priests that know how to expel their inner demons.
Whooosh manana.
Now Jay Garcia,aka Fulano when did I say Mexicans were a race? They should call it a race. My birth Certificate says under race "white" and my
parents are Caucasian. That's almost an insult for Latinos, but yes right now being Mexican is a ethnicity or heritage.
Woody it's racist logic. But the logic here is since Mexicans aren't a race then how can it be racist? You see the same logic used by racist when they
are degrading Muslims. They say how can it be racist if being Muslim is only a religion? It doesn't really matter it you attack someones ethic
heritage or religion. It's still a racial attack against certain kind of people.
BTW Fulano I saw a good write up on you in the "Rodrigo Playground." Wow are you really that sick?
http://rodrigoplayground.blogspot.com/
[Edited on 1-29-2011 by JoeJustJoe] |
Hey Joe. The difference is the USA is a super power and Mexico is a third-world country. When the religious right in the USA spouts off, Americans
knows their influence is limited and constrained by laws. When the Mexican church speaks to Mexicans, they believe it. They are used to excuses for
everywhere. On the gay rights thing- isn't it interesting Rosarito's Hugo Torres rolled out the welcome wagon for gays as an untapped tourism income
source and look how far that went once the word got out. Everyone in the GOM, and the Mexican Catholic Church of course- came down on it hard and
quashed it. Super power-vs- third world. It is what it is.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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krafty
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No I am not insane, Woosh-on this post you said Narcos threaten to kill school age children-do not buy into this bs and spread the fear. What do you
get out of that, and do you accomplish anything? There is enough crazy talk going on without you adding fuel to the fire
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DENNIS
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Woooosh......Why???
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A few observations-
On a personal note and although I don't know him, I have a huge amount of simpatico for Wooosh in that if I had the same set of circumstances and
opportunities, I would have also doubled-down on a beachfront home in Baja. It has to be unnerving to sit there and witness the past few years,
Second, regarding the Catholic church, whose influence actually has been waning in Mexico recently, although the alternative seems to be the
fundamentaist, evangelical Christian types ( choose your poison), in my opinion, so much of the Mexican culture; much of what attracts so many of us
to Baja and Mexico is the influence of the Catholic church. I'm talking about what encourages a humble, welcoming, and hard working culture.
An interesting contrast would be the same church in Europe. The difference is that Europeans endured not only two world wars, but a partitioning of
their land, with an atheist driven political movement that imbued itself into the culture. Today's Europe finds very low rates of church attendance,
especially among those who grew up after the second war. Seems to me that Mexico is an exemplar of what Europe was pre WWI.
I kinda wonder how much less attractive Mexico may be to the NOB folks were it not for the pervasive influence of the Catholic church.
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Woooosh
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no. You said I told a story about the killing of school children. That is simply not true. An once you post a lie- the rest of your posts mean
nothing.
The people of Rosarito lived in fear that day for their children and the AFN, Frontera and others were right to report it. You would have dropped
your kid off at that school and hoped for the best? The people of Rosarito have seen the hanging bodies off the PeMex bridge, they know what the
cartels are capable of and Rosarito is becoming more active for the cartels, not less. The people hide in their houses in fear today while the
Military patrols the streets of Rosarito. The police are trusted by no one, especially not by the Military. Drive through Rosarito on what should be
a busy weekend and my case is made. Not even the Rosaritenses are out and about... "It's too hot" they say. I live here with the people, not in a
gated community. My neighbors are doctors, school teachers as well as narcos and I know what is going on here all too well. I do feel badly for the
Mexican people but it's up to them to fix it. I'm just making sure the truth is out there for those who choose to read it. After all, the Gringo
Gazette got run out of town for telling the truth and no one has dared to replace it- well, except Maggie perhaps.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
| Quote: | Originally posted by krafty
Thanks Just Joe-the fact that Woooosh told a story of killing school age children-was that a rumor? This is how they start. Then you have the usual
suspects chiming in, 2 mentioning they haven't been here in over 5 years...gee, I wonder why? People like you scaring the crap out of
everyone.......wish you would stop-do you want to quote me crime stats in, say, New Orleans or Miami-? Sure they are horrific. Follow the normal
sanity guidelines and you'll be ok, just sayin'......and as far as the "leak" you make it sound as if the whole ocean is polluted because of it-in so
ca. there was a leak every other day in Dana Point-of course it does not make it right but you are once again sounding the alarm-and my dolphins are
still here. |
Yes shame on Whooosh posing rumors about drug cartels retaliating against little elementary children. Shame on the "AFN" and Maggie Madness too
posting crank calls as news!
Whooosh who cares what the Catholic Church says about "Exorcism" and the fight against drug cartels. How is that different from the right-wing
Evangelicals in the US fighting for the soul of America by wages a war against same-sex marriage? I would only be concerned if the Mexican Government
enlisted Catholics Priests in the "war on drugs" and believed the Priests could win the war by the use of exorcist practices. I know a few ex and
current "Nomad" members that need the help of these priests that know how to expel their inner demons.
Whooosh manana.
Now Jay Garcia,aka Fulano when did I say Mexicans were a race? They should call it a race. My birth Certificate says under race "white" and my
parents are Caucasian. That's almost an insult for Latinos, but yes right now being Mexican is a ethnicity or heritage.
Woody it's racist logic. But the logic here is since Mexicans aren't a race then how can it be racist? You see the same logic used by racist when they
are degrading Muslims. They say how can it be racist if being Muslim is only a religion? It doesn't really matter it you attack someones ethic
heritage or religion. It's still a racial attack against certain kind of people.
BTW Fulano I saw a good write up on you in the "Rodrigo Playground." Wow are you really that sick?
http://rodrigoplayground.blogspot.com/
[Edited on 1-29-2011 by JoeJustJoe] |
Hey Joe. The difference is the USA is a super power and Mexico is a third-world country. When the religious right in the USA spouts off, Americans
knows their influence is limited and constrained by laws. When the Mexican church speaks to Mexicans, they believe it. They are used to excuses for
everywhere. On the gay rights thing- isn't it interesting Rosarito's Hugo Torres rolled out the welcome wagon for gays as an untapped tourism income
source and look how far that went once the word got out. Everyone in the GOM, and the Mexican Catholic Church of course- came down on it hard and
quashed it. Super power-vs- third world. It is what it is. |
Jesus Christ I hate it when I hear Americans refer to Mexico as a 3rd world country. Mexico is not a 3rd world country and shouldn't be compared to
some poor African country. Mexico does have some 3rd world elements to it, but so does the US, and Mexico is still a very poor country, but not when
you compare it to other Latin American countries. Mexico is an emerging market and has a first world economy when you look at it's GNP where it's
ranked in the top 15, and it's stock market has performed better for years especially during the dark day of the Bush administration.
But I think I know what you mean and the Catholic church has a great influence over Mexico but don't make the mistake and think all or most Mexican
care what the Catholic church say. Mexico is more progressive now than the USA in social issues like same-sex marriage, and "zones of tolerance"
thought out Mexico. Gay bars were popping up all over Tijuana turning the downturn in the economy on both sides of the border. ( I don't think those
bars attracked the gays on the US side, but it has the potential too.)
You should also beware how much influence the the religious right has over the GOP and there is little difference between the Tea Party" and the
Religious right in America. It's all about going backward and living in the dark ages for many in the Mexican catholic church and the religious right
in America that also has great influence over one major political party the GOP. The Catholic church owns the PAN party in Mexico.
[Edited on 1-29-2011 by JoeJustJoe]
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Woooosh
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Woooosh......Why??? |
OK Joe- second world, certainly no first world super-power. Can we compromise of third-rate then, instead of third-world? 
Why what Dennis? If you are talking about cultural differences- the answer is circumstance. The American Revolution created a USA free of the
influences and oppression of England and built itself in just 200 years to be the worlds super-power. The Mexican Revolution embedded the corrupt
ways of the Spanish and the people have never been able to free themselves from that. Very simplistic- but it's night and day. Now they are paying
for their complacency.
[Edited on 1-29-2011 by Woooosh]
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Woooosh... think he means you know WHO.. 
and I agree on your take of Mexico's problems ... past, current and future.... at this time...
Woooosh coming home from the store...
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Woooosh......Why??? |
OK Joe- second world, certainly no first world super-power.
Why what Dennis? If you are talking about cultural differences- the answer is circumstance. The American Revolution created a USA free of the
influences and oppression of England and built itself in just 200 years to be the worlds super-power. The Mexican Revolution embedded the corrupt
ways of the Spanish and the people have never been able to free themselves from that. Very simplistic- but it's night and day. Now they are paying
for their complacency.
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That's not what Dennis means. Dennis feels there is only a certain type of "Nomad" member that should be here, and certain kinds of members should be
discouraged or even kicked out of the "Nomad" site. Well I'm glad most members don't think they are so self righteous that someone like a Just Joe
can't post here.
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Woooosh
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Dennis will tell me what he means. He is one person, with one name- and I can wait... unless you are speaking for him now too Joe.
[Edited on 1-29-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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tic tic tic
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Woooosh......You KNOW why. Jizz Joe thinks he know why, but he doesn't know squat....about me or anything else. He wallows in pimp
mentality.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Woooosh......You KNOW why. Jizz Joe thinks he know why, but he doesn't know squat....about me or anything else. He wallows in pimp
mentality. |
Well, they do what they do. I should know better than to engage in mischief with these multi- personality trolls, but the people of Egypt have (for
today) inspired me to challenge the ugly obstacles to change within Mexico.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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