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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bwana_John
I believe it has to be less than .22 caliber.
And while someone you shoot can very well die eventually without medical attention (usually when their abdominal cavity is puncture by the tiny
projectiles coming out of the new high velocity guns), he is gonna be really mad for the next couple of hours and not really incapacitated.
The ER doctors hate the new guns.... little tiny holes and kids too embarrassed to tell why they arent feeling so well.
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I'm thinking of the 10 yr old that came to the E.D. with a pellet lodged in his myocardium. He survived but it was not
a good day for him! You are right.....little hole.....lot's of trouble!
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Most of these BB guns are about 400 to 500 fps. Is that fast enough to actually do any damage to an intruder or assailant? 805gregg said that 1,000
fps would be lethal. Can anybody corroborate that?
What I am looking for is a legal .177 pellet pistol that is NOT a single shot pistol but can shoot 6 pellets or more, one after the other, then
reloadable quickly. Would like to see at least 650 fps. I don't know, does that exist?
Looking for something that is very effective for self defense. Thinking of using a combination of pepper spray and a
BB or pellet pistol. Saw a canister of pepper spray for a bear, shoots 30 feet, costs $35 USD, big as a tall can of spray paint. Maybe even a taser.
[Edited on 4-20-2011 by MitchMan]
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I saw them in Walmart in LaPaz. Didn't read the fps or how many pellets they hold but you can get that info on the Walmart web site
| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
Most of these BB guns are about 400 to 500 fps. Is that fast enough to actually do any damage to an intruder or assailant? 805gregg said that 1,000
fps would be lethal. Can anybody corroborate that?
What I am looking for is a legal .177 pellet pistol that is NOT a single shot pistol but can shoot 6 pellets or more, one after the other, then
reloadable quickly. Would like to see at least 650 fps. I don't know, does that exist?
Looking for something that is very effective for self defense. Thinking of using a combination of pepper spray and a
BB or pellet pistol. Saw a canister of pepper spray for a bear, shoots 30 feet, costs $35 USD, big as a tall can of spray paint. Maybe even a taser.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
What I am looking for is a legal .177 pellet pistol that is NOT a single shot pistol but can shoot 6 pellets or more, one after the other, then
reloadable quickly. Would like to see at least 650 fps. I don't know, does that exist?
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Lemme move this link forward for you, Mitch. Go through it and see what you can find:
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/H_and_K_MP5_K-PDW_CO2_BB_Gun/2...
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Bwana_John
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Projectiles are commonly rated by "Foot Pounds" of energy.
177 pellet @ 500fps = 4.5 ft lbs
177 pellet @ 1000fps = 17.7 ft lbs
22LR = 67 ft lbs
9mm pistol = 255 ft lbs
45acp pistol = 413 ft lbs
5.56mm rifle = (M-16, US rifle) 1100 ft lbs
7.62mm rifle = (G-3, Mex soldado's rifle) 2428 ft lbs
[Edited on 4-20-2011 by Bwana_John]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bwana_John
Projectiles are commonly rated by "Foot Pounds" of energy.
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Nuts. Now we have to do the math. I always thought FPS was Feet Per Second. I guess I'll just continue thinking that. 
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Wasp spray can shoot up to twenty feet away and is accurate aim. The wasp spray temporarily blinds an attacker until they get to the hospital for an
antidote.
Cheaper. Legal. Easy carry.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Wasp spray can shoot up to twenty feet away and is accurate aim. The wasp spray temporarily blinds an attacker until they get to the hospital for an
antidote.
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Wasp killer spray is VERY effective, but it can causes permanent problem for the receiving end.
Spearguns, flare guns, pepperspray, and wasp killer spray would all be more effective than a air pistol under .22 cal IMO.
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Nuts. Now we have to do the math. I always thought FPS was Feet Per Second. I guess I'll just continue thinking that.
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FPS does mean Feet per second.
To find Ft lbs multiply the product of the weight of the pellet (in grains) times the square of the velocity and divide that number by 450240. That
last number is a constant created by multiplying two times the acceleration of gravity by 7,000 - the number of grains in a pound.
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| Quote: | originally poosted by Bwana_John
FPS does mean Feet per second.
To find Ft lbs multiply the product of the weight of the pellet (in grains) times the square of the velocity and divide that number by 450240. That
last number is a constant created by multiplying two times the acceleration of gravity by 7,000 - the number of grains in a pound.
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Great info!
Bwana-John, great info, I like and understand numbers.
McFez, the more I think about using pepper spray or even the wasp spray, the more I like the idea because of the reliability of the effect of pepper
spray while not injuring the assailant, thereby not incurring any liability due to injury. Is there any risk of actually poisoning an assailant with
the wasp spray, as far as you know? Ooops, Bwana-John just answered the question.
Dennis, found a Crossman C11 C02 BB pistol, 480 fps, many good reviews and only $36 USD.
[Edited on 4-20-2011 by MitchMan]
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great info, I like and understand numbers.
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Foot pounds is actually a archaic unit derived by the old practice of using a ballistic pendulum to quantify energy.
The projectile could swing a X pound hanging plate back one foot when hit.
The modern SI equivalent would be Joules.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bwana_John
To find Ft lbs multiply the product of the weight of the pellet (in grains) times the square of the velocity and divide that number by 450240. That
last number is a constant created by multiplying two times the acceleration of gravity by 7,000 - the number of grains in a pound.
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I have an easier way. If I ever need to know, I'll just ask you. 
Thanks for the info.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
Dennis, found a Crossman C11 C02 BB pistol, 480 fps, many good reviews and only $36 USD.
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Right on.......Lock 'n load.
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Here's my simple take on the subject of self defense: I dare not let harm come to my family....... or towards me. Crankters to the the guy with
criminal intent ...who cares about their well being as they walk towards you .......with their eyes displaying violence?
Pellet rifles will not help you in time of duress. It aint some John Wayne movie where every shot hit's it's target and kills instantly. I'm 244
pounds...you best aim and succeed in shooting my eye out to stop me!
If any one here has ever been involved in a face to face situation....you'll agree with me that a little ol pea shooter aint going do much good :-)
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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