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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Hey Joe. This is still a developing story and my comments are based on what we know at each discovery. In the beginning I was (and still are)
uncomfortable with a no warrant search/arrest. But Hank's house was invaded only after his own men got busted with guns at his hotel and led the
military back. When they got to Hank's and saw more men with guns they considered it a crime-in-progress and went in for Hank.
Now that the dust has settled a a bit on the facts, there are some interesting tidbits: where was Hank's head of security? He wasn't at the house,
wasn't included in the ten men arrested and still hasn't been located. How come the TJ police didn't step up and protect Hank from the military like
they did the last time this happened? Did no one give the TJ police the word as this was going down? None of them even noticed? Why didn't Hank's
Xolos partner give him more support and public leverage instead of saying the Xolos development won't be affected. He should have said the future of
the franchise is dependent on Hank's invaluable contributions and participation, no? It all just seems too convenient to be co-incidence.
How long did Hank think it would take for the military to catch up to the July09 wiki-leak that basically said Hank runs the Plaza and it the main guy
for money laundering in town? This was DURING the huge crime wave of 2007 and 2008 that started the slow motion train wreck and death of Baja Norte
tourism. Today he is either an asset or a liability to his political party and business partners. Maybe he got too big for his political britches-
no matter who his family is. Looks like someone is furthering their ambitions at Hanks expense though.
A citizen complaint caused all this? I wonder who that un-named person was and why they called the military instead of the TJ police in the first
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Wooosh why do you continue to parrot Jenny's dubious line that the Mexican Military got it right this time, and this was a legitimate bust on Hank
Rhon's residence because the military had probably cause when they busted the three men with guns at the hotel which led them back to the compound?
Wooosh I know you read the "AFN" article where it said that one of the men arrested before the raid, Juan Ignacio Parra Santos, said he didn't even
know Hank Rhon, nor that he worked for him.
In fact Juan said he was actually arrested the night before while waiting to pick up his brother when the Mexican Lucha libre looking masked thugs
dressed like civilians and they were accompanied by military personnel. Then they by force put Juan into a military vehicle and took him back to the
military barracks where he met the other two men who BTW Juan said he didn't know either. Juan claims all three of them were there until at least till
5 AM, and par on course Juan claimed the military tried to get a forced confession from him. ( I'm just surprised they didn't torture him)
If Juan's story is true, and I'll take Juan's story before I would believe the known torturers of the Mexican military. Then there is no way the three
could have led them to the Rhon's compound.
I know Woooosh knows about this story because Maggie over at her Madhouse also covered this ongoing story, and Woooosh made a few comments over there.
The chemically imbalanced Marjorie for once is doing a great job covering the Hank Rhon's story, and presenting both sides of the argument, and
keeping her dumb opinions out of it. But I would caution against reading any one blogger regarding Mexico because I don't know any blogger without
their own agenda.
Even if you don't know Spanish. You're better off going directly to the Mexican papers like AFN, El Mexicano, el sol Tijuana, and just to the right of
the news webpage you'll see where it says: " Translate this page," and if you click it......it will automatically translate the article for you, and
you'll at least get the gist of the story. Don't depend on bloggers that cover Mexico or the San Diego Union that barely even cover these stories,
and they themselves really just translate the Baja articles and then puts them in the San Diego paper.
Here is the story Wooosh conveniently ignored:
http://www.afntijuana.info/nota_informativa2011.php?page=jun...
It seems more and more of this Hank Rhon arrest looks to be another " Desafuero" game. Where they tie up the election front runner with bogus
criminal charges so they can't run in any election until their legal criminal case is cleared up. They did the same thing to Andrés Manuel López
Obrador before the 2006 elections, but the people in Mexico didn't stand for it. However, Hank Rhon is no AMLO, and most people believe Rhon is
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I think you should wait for more facts to emerge before attacking people who are simply commenting on the information released so far. We are all just
speculating with the tidbits of info we have- well except for you- who is all knowing (of even my thoughts apparently). You make it sound like
corruption is a political liability in this country. Clearly it isn't and hasn't been.
[Edited on 6-7-2011 by Woooosh]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I think you should wait for more facts to emerge before attacking people who are simply commenting on the information released so far.
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Why should anybody have to "attack" anybody on any of this kind of stuff anyway? Why has it become almost impossible lately to hold a civil debate?
Everybody has an opinion and if we could debate such issues and differences of opinion in a civil way I would probably stick around and add my two
cents. When it sinks down to childish name calling I simply lose interest.
There are a lot of better ways to invest my time...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Why should anybody have to "attack" anybody on any of this kind of stuff anyway? |
Well..they don't have to, but if their point is weak, they think it will give it credibility.
If it weren't for Woooosh, this thread should have gone to OT a long time ago.
Maybe there's still hope for proper processing of sewage.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
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Why should anybody have to "attack" anybody on any of this kind of stuff anyway? |
Well..they don't have to, but if their point is weak, they think it will give it credibility.
If it weren't for Woooosh, this thread should have gone to OT a long time ago.
Maybe there's still hope for proper processing of sewage. |
Huh? 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Huh?
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You're the only one here I listen to.
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Woooosh
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LOL.
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Its a difficult situation. Hank deserves jail, but was he legally arrested? if the Mex goverment releases the man, forget about putting him back in
jail ever again.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Its a difficult situation. Hank deserves jail, but was he legally arrested? if the Mex goverment releases the man, forget about putting him back in
jail ever again. |
If the arrest was illegal, he skates. Why not?
Maybe someday the government will get their chiiit together and do it right.
Besides....Hank could have staged the whole thing.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Its a difficult situation. Hank deserves jail, but was he legally arrested? if the Mex goverment releases the man, forget about putting him back in
jail ever again. |
If released, they'll just Martyr him in the name of the Xolos. 
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It was just announced on the news down here that Hank was released from custody this afternoon, with the investigation continuing...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
It was just announced on the news down here that Hank was released from custody this afternoon, with the investigation continuing...
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I think his house was released from custody actually. 
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It was just announced on the news down here that Hank was released from custody this afternoon, with the investigation continuing...
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Not so, he's still being held. The government has 96-hours to either charge Hank and arraign him or release him. They have until tomorrow, I think
they will probably take it up to the deadline. They will probably charge him, as the alleged crimes are very serious ones. If he is charged, they can
then hold him for another 40 days, which can be extended again and again.
By the way, this incident now has a name: "El Hankazo"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
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It was just announced on the news down here that Hank was released from custody this afternoon, with the investigation continuing...
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I think his house was released from custody actually. |
Just checked and you are right - that's what I get listening to the news while driving with the window down. I do hope they come up with something
concrete and decisive to charge him with by the end of the day tomorrow. It will take that to stop all this partisan fighting going on, in and out of
the press....
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Ex-Tijuana mayor charged with having illegal guns
Associated Press
Wednesday June 8, 2011 6:28 AM
MEXICO CITY – Mexican federal prosecutors have charged a flamboyant former Tijuana mayor with illegal weapons possession.
Deputy Attorney General Patricia Bugarin says Jorge Hank Rhon has been transferred from detention in Mexico City to a prison in the border city of
Tecate.
Hank Rhon was arrested Saturday when troops found 40 rifles, 48 handguns, 9,298 bullets, 70 ammunition clips and a gas grenade at his Tijuana home
near the casino he owns.
Bugarin said Wednesday Hank Rhon legally owned 10 of the weapons
Mexican law limits ownership of powerful firearms to the military and requires licensing of most other guns. Violations can be punished by as long as
15 years in prison.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110608/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mexico_tijuana_ex_mayor
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Take a look at these demonstrators in support of Hank Rhon near the Hippodrome. Notice anything?
...all the signs are in the same handwriting. These are paid PRI people posing for the cameras. |
Hey Jenny how about this picture below with a few thousand Mexicans protesting the injustice towards Hank Rhon? Are all these Mexicans employed by
Hank Rhon too, and did your hand writing analyzing conclude all the signs are made by the same Rhon shill?
It's good to see so many Mexicans taking an interest in the political process and protesting in the streets even if it's for Hank Rhon. Clearly it
looks like a majority of Mexican and in the Mexican press believe the case against Hank Rhon is politically motivated, and believe whatever "facts"
there are in this case are only trumped-up charges. However, we have people like Jenny who believe there are real facts here and we have the
goose-stepping Woooosh go along with everything that Jenny says and the so-called facts.
The good news is Hank Rhon isn't being charged with an "organized crime" charge, and he will be back near his home in a Tecate jail, however he is
still facing the possession Federal Firearms charge, and that could mean serious jail time. At this time it's unclear he will be let out on bail?
It looks like the real politicians in both Mexico and the US could learn from Hank Rhon and some gangsters from the past. Some of these Hank Rhon
types do sometimes take care of the poor with social programs and food for those poor people in the local community. In turn the poor show their
gratitude for the politicians they perceive as helping them. Often the real politicians in both the US and Mexico are worst than the gangsters
because they only help the super wealthy, and the multinational corporations while leaving the poor to fend for themselves.
[img]http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2011/06/08/hanksergiocrowd_t352.JPG?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4[/img]
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Hey Jenny how about this picture below with a few thousand Mexicans protesting the injustice towards Hank Rhon? Are all these Mexicans employed by
Hank Rhon too, and did your hand writing analyzing conclude all the signs are made by the same Rhon shill? |
Hey Joe, don't you ever get tired of stepping on your pinger? This was an orchestrated media event. Nothing spontaneous about it.
All the same handwriting #1:
Same pink signs #2:
Same handwriting and drawing on signs #3:
Amazing coincindence #4:
What a coincidence, they all showed up to protest in the same shirt:
[Edited on 6-8-2011 by BajaNomad]
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Hey Joe. You are quickly becoming unworthy of response. You call me "goose-stepping" by following a Jenny I don't even know. There are lots of
ways to say a person on a message board shares another's view on a topic without the ugly "goose-stepping" connotations.
Why so belligerent about this case? If the entry to the house was illegal, that will come out. Hank should have had 10 firearms at the house- which
is what his permits were for. I really don't doubt that Hank didn't know there was a stash of weapons at his house, but he's still responsible for
his premises. Security people love guns and weaponry and probably got carried away with their collection- it doesn't mean Hank knew... but he's
still responsible for his house. They did find weapons reserved "for the exclusive use of the military"- so someone def got carried away. How much
Hank knew about the guns at his house and how willing the 10 other men arrested are to fall on their swords for Hank will have an impact on the case.
Don't cry for Hank- there is no shame in Mexico. If convicted he will "break out" and hang out in Argentina with the other Mexican Billionaire on the
run, El Chapo- although the two are very unlikely travel partners.
[Edited on 6-8-2011 by Woooosh]
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Looks like Hank is f*****!!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Looks like Hank is f*****!!! |
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. ByeBye.
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"The political commentator Denise Maerker noted this week that the top officials of PRI have not risen to Hank’s defense and have sent their
surrogates out to make statements. 'They haven’t said anything that will compromise them,' Maeker wrote. 'This is a wise strategy.'"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/americas/former-tijuana-...
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