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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Wanting to "Prove" their "Premise" that a majority of weapons are coming from U.S. Gun Dealers, the Mexicans aren't likely leaving out
ANY weapons which "might" be traced to that source. THAT argument is ABSURD.
Of course, so is Joe.
There's no question that the numbers are being rigged. It's impossible to even get an accurate count of the TOTAL number of weapons the Government is
seizing as they juggle those numbers to make their point.
In any case, it's a BIG "So What ?"
Since it is clear from the seizures, including Heavy Machine Guns, RPGs and Grenades, Explosives, etc, that the Cartels DO have more direct sources,
they could just as well purchase their small arms from those sources at higher cost.
The reason that they buy what they do from U.S. dealers is simply economic. It's cheaper and the supply-lines are more secure. Remove that and
they'll still buy whatever they need. There is no shortage of Cash-Flow in their enterprise.
BTW, I'd like to see Any "PROOF" that AK-47s (or M-16s) are being supplied by Those Border Dealers. THAT would put them in jail immediately if the
buyers were not Class III purchasers and I haven't seen any evidence of Class III purchases going astray. |
I wouldn't be too concerned about RPGs and Grenades, and Explosives. Not too many Mexicans are being killed by those types of weapons. Those type of
weapons are more of a terrorist threat, because the fear factor is off the chart with Grenades. However, even these types of weapons can be traced to
the US:
Mexican drug cartels' newest weapon: Cold War-era grenades made in U.S.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07...
Well according to many sources AK-47's and M-16's are being brought in the US and are being shipped to Mexico. Many of these types of weapons are
first shipped in the US from places like China, and then simply driven over the border.
Here is one such case with the arrested and conviction of John Phillip Hernandez who was convicted of being part of a ring that smuggled at least 339
high-powered weapons including AK-47's and M-16 to the Mexican drug cartels.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/15/us/15guns.html?_r=1&pa...
Americans need to face the fact that's it's America that is supplying the Mexican drug cartels with arms.
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MrBillM
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Purgings from Joe's <rear>
Although a Lefty (or other) Newspaper article is not an authoritative source, the N.Y. (Communist Peoples Daily) Times article references
"Semi-Automatic AK-47s which is a misnomer. The AK-47 Assault Rifle is a Select-Fire weapon.
Among the media, the AK-47 has become (incorrectly) a Generic (and ominous) term to frighten the masses. The rifles being sold are just other (albeit
cheap and reliable) examples that fire ONCE with each trigger pull. I'd be happy to demonstrate the difference to Joe in a Free "personal training"
session.
There are numerous semi-automatic "AK-style" or "AK-47 type" rifles (as more accurate spokesmen note), but they are NOT AK-47s. Just as my
Semi-Automatic SKS-Rifles with a Gas-Operating system virtually identical to the AK ARE a DIFFERENT weapon.
And, the article references "AR-15" rifles which are also a semi-automatic weapon, NOT a Select-Fire M-16.
Other than their "Evil" appearance, those semi-automatic rifles are functionally no different than a multitude of other rifles which have been around
since WWII.
[Edited on 6-17-2011 by MrBillM]
[Edited on 6-17-2011 by BajaNomad]
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marv sherrill
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OOPS - sorry all - My stats were for violent crime related DEATHS - not all crimes - they are accurate as far as I can ascertain -
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DENNIS
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Thanks, Marv. Still sounds low with Cd. Juarez in the mix.
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jenny.navarrette
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| Quote: | Originally posted by marv sherrill
OOPS - sorry all - My stats were for violent crime related DEATHS - not all crimes - they are accurate as far as I can ascertain -
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The government of Mexico's official reports show 12,383 murders for the first four months of 2011. At this rate there will be 37,000 murders in Mexico
this year. That would produce a homicide rate of 33 per 100,000. The US has a homicide rate of 5 per 100,000.
Link to Mexico Crime Statistics
While Baja has only 2.8% of Mexico's population, it has 7% of Mexico's crimes, so far this year.
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woody with a view
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we don't need no stinking committee.
Y WE GO.....
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
| Quote: | Originally posted by luv2fish
| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
You need to have a little more respect for Mexicans, otherwise people here will just think you're racist.
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Mexicans are a race? I always thought they were a nationality. How come Americans are not called the American race? Or Canadians the Canadian race?
Since you are obviously so up-to-date on all this, can you tell me what tribe this Mexican is?
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If memory serves me, in my youth, Mexicans were considered to be caucasians. Around 1970, the census bureau decided to get cute and create additional
categories that served to shift Mexicans to non-white status.
Obviously the indigenous population of Mexico, just like that of the US were always non-white. But unlike the United States, there was a huge
intermingling of the population of Mexico, creating what the census folks would call "other".
However, by and large, and seemingly since the formation of the nation, it was, and is the European population that has run things.
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DENNIS
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In Mexico, I believe it depends on the individual whether they want to be associated with the Mestizo or the Castillan side of the culture.
I've known ladies who hated the sun since it darkened the skin and they didn't want that "field hand glow."
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Bajahowodd
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In addition, huge numbers of Americans, who don't travel, or at least not to Mexico, have a total misimpression of the Mexican ethnicity.
Fundamentally, the workers who risked life and limb to cross the border for work are indigenous or Mestizo. So, if they were to travel to locations
involved with commerce, government and the arts, such as Mexico City, Guadalajara, or Monterrey for instance, would be majorly surprised at the light
skinned, light eyed folks that proliferate in those places.
It has been, for so long, a class issue.
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bajabound2005
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if you don't like it here, leave.
Friends don't let friends drink white zinfandel.
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