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drarroyo
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Toyota trucks took a half step backwards mid 2000's, when they bumped the Tacoma to Tundra size (and Chevy-truck style! ... ick) and bumped the
Tundra even larger. Tundra gas mileage is deplorable.
My 2000 taco gets 21-22 'round town. I do drive rather conservatively. Not slowly ... just smartly  And great mileage on those straightaways of BCS!
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Roberto
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David, you are incorrect. Maybe you should make sure you know the subject at hand before so forcefully presenting your "opinions" (I'm trying to be
nice here).
There is NO requirement for Ethanol on California Reformulated Gasoline.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/fuels/gasoline/faq.htm
Any ethanol added is added by the refiners in order to meet requirements for oxygenate in an effort to reduce emissions. They choose ethanol instead
of other oxygenates because of Federal incentives for Ethanol use.
[Edited on 7-22-2011 by Roberto]
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dizzyspots
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reports from friends here are about 17mpg....our FJ Cruiser got 17 mpg w/ me driving and 21 with Sharon driving..current Dodge 4.7 crew 2wd gets 18-20
she uses a MINI Clubman S as her new daily driver...me...Goldwing 1500
so truck is for: ...honey do's , house stuff and BAJA...means being able to throw 12ft tinnie on top and gear in the back and room to take friends,
grandkids(maybe)
not sure there is anything out there that will haul, go off road, comfort for long highway drive and get GREAT mileage...diesel was a thought untill
it was .50-.60 hihger than unleaded
06 tacos are near $20K here
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TMW
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
David, you are incorrect. Maybe you should make sure you know the subject at hand before so forcefully presenting your "opinions" (I'm trying to be
nice here).
There is NO requirement for Ethanol on California Reformulated Gasoline.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/fuels/gasoline/faq.htm
Any ethanol added is added by the refiners in order to meet requirements for oxygenate in an effort to reduce emissions. They choose ethanol instead
of other oxygenates because of Federal incentives for Ethanol use.
[Edited on 7-22-2011 by Roberto] |
Technically that's true. They can use other oxygenates if they meet the CA standards. The use of ethanol is the least costly way to meet the
standards. The list of banned additives is given and no alternative to ethanol is listed except to say others can be used if they meet the CA
standard.
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motoged
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So, the question is about Taco vs Ford....just because I don't know and am beginning to shop....what about Taco vs Sierra/Silverado 4X4....
Mostly paved and gravel roads and not heavy towing....Baja every second year and no rock crawling.
Where does General Motors fit in this conversation?
Don't believe everything you think....
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TMW
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It depends on what your need really are. Some people prefer a full size truck. I have a 2004 GMC Z71 I purchased new. First three years it was at the
dealer every six months for one thing or another, I got the extended warranty and had two fuel pumps replaced under it. After warranty ended both
heads had a leak not under factory recall. I'm out $3000. I love the feel when driving it but frankly I don't think I would buy another GM vehicle. I
also had a 91 chevy 4x4 I bought new and had issues with it including a new tranny. Again everything under warranty. I bought a 2004 Tacoma 4x4 V6
last Dec. with 66000 miles on it. I've just about set it up to my way. Love it. I had a 2007 Tacoma 4x4 V6 work truck before I retired. It now has
50,000+ miles and has never been to the dealer for repairs, just oil and tires. Both the 04 and 07 Tacomas get 21-22 mpg on the hwy unloaded. My GMC
17 mpg hwy.
If I were to get a full size truck it would be a Ford. Mid or small size a Toyota can't be beat. Nissan may be good too.
I would add a Tundra to my list too. My son bought one in Jan. A 4x4 crewcab style.
[Edited on 7-23-2011 by TW]
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dizzyspots
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decision made...2004 Tundra SR5 double cab 4x4...low miles, clean...may need to swap out rubber prior to October trip, then throw the 12ft tinnie on
the rack and head to Gonzaha
Thanks for all the insight and suggestions BN rocks
Mike & SHaron
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woody with a view
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keep the maintenance up on your yota and it will run forever, or at least 3-4 times longer than american crap of the same vintage.
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
keep the maintenance up on your yota and it will run forever, or at least 3-4 times longer than american crap of the same vintage.
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You mean the crap like my 2002 f250, 207,000 miles and never needed a repair other than normal maintenance?
oops forgot. CPS replaced under recall.
Don't even ask how many times to Baja. I live here more than in Arizona
[Edited on 7-22-2011 by rts551]
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dizzyspots
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rts551...when are you headed back...dental trip go OK?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dizzyspots
rts551...when are you headed back...dental trip go OK? |
done... ready now. waiting for our mechanic in Ensenada to say the quad is ready. Race in San Ignacio on the 31st, Asuncion mid August, San Felipe
24 August and the Loreto 400 10 September.
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dizzyspots
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good luck and have a great time...keep the shiny side up
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
David, you are incorrect. Maybe you should make sure you know the subject at hand before so forcefully presenting your "opinions" (I'm trying to be
nice here).
There is NO requirement for Ethanol on California Reformulated Gasoline.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/fuels/gasoline/faq.htm
Any ethanol added is added by the refiners in order to meet requirements for oxygenate in an effort to reduce emissions. They choose ethanol instead
of other oxygenates because of Federal incentives for Ethanol use.
[Edited on 7-22-2011 by Roberto] |
If you find where I said it was REQUIRED, then please quote me... I said 'they' meaning 'enviro-wackos'.
ARCO and COSTCO gas (the two cheapest multi-location gas brands I see in SoCal) both contain 10% Ethynol and when I use them, my mileage drops one to
two MPG! This has really been noticed in the past few months, as I used to get gas from Costco or Arco frequently... but no more.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
So, the question is about Taco vs Ford....just because I don't know and am beginning to shop....what about Taco vs Sierra/Silverado 4X4....
Mostly paved and gravel roads and not heavy towing....Baja every second year and no rock crawling.
Where does General Motors fit in this conversation? |
At the bottom...
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dizzyspots
decision made...2004 Tundra SR5 double cab 4x4...low miles, clean...may need to swap out rubber prior to October trip, then throw the 12ft tinnie on
the rack and head to Gonzaha
Thanks for all the insight and suggestions BN rocks
Mike & SHaron |
Best of luck!
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motoged
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
....Where does General Motors fit in this conversation? |
At the bottom... |
Well, I knew someone would throw a rock at my head
I like the cab roominess size of the full-size trucks and the quality of the Taco Truck....what a dilemma 
Don't believe everything you think....
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I think the Tundras built before the Texas plant opened were pretty good. I understand the first year or two of the Texas plant Tundras had a rust
issue or maybe a frame issue. But I think they got that worked out. I'd be careful with any Tundra between 07-10 built in Texas. My son purchased a
new Tundra in Jan. A 4x4 crewcab so I'm waiting to see how it is working out. I don't think the gas milage is any better than any other full size
truck. Probably 17-18 on the hwy at best.
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J.P.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
....Where does General Motors fit in this conversation? |
At the bottom... |
Well, I knew someone would throw a rock at my head
I like the cab roominess size of the full-size trucks and the quality of the Taco Truck....what a dilemma |
Then show some class and buy a chevrolet
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
....Where does General Motors fit in this conversation? |
At the bottom... |
Well, I knew someone would throw a rock at my head
I like the cab roominess size of the full-size trucks and the quality of the Taco Truck....what a dilemma |
Ged, no rocks thrown at my Canadian friends... You asked where does GM fit in this 'quality' truck conversation... an opinion, right?
Based on my thoughts after hearing from so many here on Nomad... for FULL SIZE pickups...
Ford and Dodge tie for #1
The 2nd Generation Toyota Tundra (2008+?) #2
Nissan Titan and Chevy/ GM tie for #3 (Although I would get the Nissan over any GM product, any day.)
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motoged
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Ged, no rocks thrown at my Canadian friends... |
All taken in jest, David. No worries
These are the opinions I am asking for....muchas gracias, amigo.
Don't believe everything you think....
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