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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ricardo
Hey I'm just quoting some info from a US source. sort of liking casting a lure and see who bites, Got two in the boat already. LOL
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Some people have their minds set, no matter what the facts say. Thick skulls can be oh so hard to penetrate, even with a jack hammer.
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Roberto
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Hey, I knew you were in the military, or you would not have Tricare. I know that first hand. Thank you for your service, I honor that.
I was asking about your comment comparing the subsidy you receive for your care in Mexico, and in that context, asked if you served in the Mexican
military. You see where I'm headed? It's not about Dennis being a sacred cow, in fact face-to-face I would have a lot to say to him. It's about his
service and the care or compensation he is now receiving. Neither you, nor I, have any place even commenting about that. And the comment you made is a
disgrace, plain and simple. Having served in a war, I am surprised you would not be sensitive to that.
To make it perfectly clear - you implied that Dennis is a freeloader. I am saying that receiving taxpayer-subsidized services in mexico, you might
want to rethink that position.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ricardo
Hey I'm just quoting some info from a US source. sort of liking casting a lure and see who bites, Got two in the boat already. LOL
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You are undoubtedly an idiot. LOL.
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Ricardo
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Since I have a place in La Paz this hospital will be fine for me.
The Following is from Baja Insider
The best hospital is the brand new hospital opened in 2010. The new Salvatierra Hospital is located in the Civic Plaza near Soriana. When President
Felipe Calderón opened the hospital he declared it one of the most advanced in Mexico. With more than double the capacity of the old Salvatierra some
of the new equipment is still being unpacked as of December. This is the hospital of the Seguros Popular, my insurance carrier. I would recommend this
facility.
In the event of a rare or difficult treatment process you might still consider being airlifted to the states or Canada, Guadalajara or Mexico City. I
suggest this because Baja is still ‘the sticks’ and a specialist in a big city may be more experienced in what ails you.
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Hey, I knew you were in the military, or you would not have Tricare. I know that first hand. Thank you for your service, I honor that.
I was asking about your comment comparing the subsidy you receive for your care in Mexico, and in that context, asked if you served in the Mexican
military. You see where I'm headed? It's not about Dennis being a sacred cow, in fact face-to-face I would have a lot to say to him. It's about his
service and the care or compensation he is now receiving. Neither you, nor I, have any place even commenting about that. And the comment you made is a
disgrace, plain and simple. Having served in a war, I am surprised you would not be sensitive to that.
To make it perfectly clear - you implied that Dennis is a freeloader. I am saying that receiving taxpayer-subsidized services in mexico, you might
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No, no, no. Check your facts. It was Dennis who said I was a leech on society. I merely pointed out that he's receiving benefits from our government,
too--or don't you get the "pot calling the kettle black" saying? If you are really interested, look up the Seguro Popular program for yourself, you
will find it has nothing to do with the military. It is open to "residents" of Mexico. And, as a socialized medical insurance plan, I certainly do pay
into it, my property taxes, car registration, fideicomiso, IVA on everything. Where's that freeloader you were talking about, or don't you understand
the principles of "socialized"?
No sacred cows, indeed.
[Edited on 7-31-2011 by Bajatripper]
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All this talk abt Seguro Popular-a very good vaquero friend of mine ended up in the good hospital in TJ with a massive heart attack
imminent....because funds were raised for his angioplasty etc his life was saved....he did not have any insurance. So now he has a "pre-existing" and
can't get insurance except to cover un-heart-related things. So next time if he ends up in the hospital w heart issues, he will die because we won't
be able to raise that kind of money again.
Presently we are funding all of his meds ie statins, bp etc and he is doing what he can to improve his diet and lifestyle.
There is no option for him now w the heart issue because it is "pre-existing"..anyone have any ideas here???
My other 4WD is a Baja Mule!
La Mula Mil Survivor 2013-2014!
1000 miles by mule from the tip to Tecate!
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ricardo
Since I have a place in La Paz this hospital will be fine for me.
The Following is from Baja Insider
The best hospital is the brand new hospital opened in 2010. The new Salvatierra Hospital is located in the Civic Plaza near Soriana. When President
Felipe Calderón opened the hospital he declared it one of the most advanced in Mexico. With more than double the capacity of the old Salvatierra some
of the new equipment is still being unpacked as of December. This is the hospital of the Seguros Popular, my insurance carrier. I would recommend this
facility.
In the event of a rare or difficult treatment process you might still consider being airlifted to the states or Canada, Guadalajara or Mexico City. I
suggest this because Baja is still ‘the sticks’ and a specialist in a big city may be more experienced in what ails you. |
Ricardo
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you might want to think twice about that new hospital. It is a grand-looking place, but has been hit with a
list of discrepancies that is mind-boggling. But at least they haven't impacted the treatment available there. That is where my appoitment is later
this month.
http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n2133804.htm
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Hey, I knew you were in the military, or you would not have Tricare. I know that first hand. Thank you for your service, I honor that.
I was asking about your comment comparing the subsidy you receive for your care in Mexico, and in that context, asked if you served in the Mexican
military. You see where I'm headed? It's not about Dennis being a sacred cow, in fact face-to-face I would have a lot to say to him. It's about his
service and the care or compensation he is now receiving. Neither you, nor I, have any place even commenting about that. And the comment you made is a
disgrace, plain and simple. Having served in a war, I am surprised you would not be sensitive to that.
To make it perfectly clear - you implied that Dennis is a freeloader. I am saying that receiving taxpayer-subsidized services in mexico, you might
want to rethink that position. |
No, no, no. Check your facts. It was Dennis who said I was a leech on society. I merely pointed out that he's receiving benefits from our government,
too--or don't you get the "pot calling the kettle black" saying? If you are really interested, look up the Seguro Popular program for yourself, you
will find it has nothing to do with the military. It is open to "residents" of Mexico. And, as a socialized medical insurance plan, I certainly do pay
into it, my property taxes, car registration, fideicomiso, IVA on everything. Where's that freeloader you were talking about, or don't you understand
the principles of "socialized"?
No sacred cows, indeed.
[Edited on 7-31-2011 by Bajatripper] |
Dude,
1. I never said it has anything to do with the military. Develop your reading skills. YOU compared to what you receive with tricare, get it?
2. You really think that this program could function without government subsidies? Just what have you contributed to Mexican society that entitles you
to draw from the government. Are you starting to see the light? I certainly am. I totally understand why you would feel no problem since you are
clueless.
Carry on.
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ricardo
Hey I'm just quoting some info from a US source. sort of liking casting a lure and see who bites, Got two in the boat already. LOL
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You are undoubtedly an idiot. LOL. |
Ah yes, if logic and reason turn out to be an impediment, resort to name calling. You are only reflecting the emptiness of your argument. I suppose
that makes me an idiot, too, to go along with the title of biggest a-hole on the board I recently had bestowed on me. You two are fine company.
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Hey, I knew you were in the military, or you would not have Tricare. I know that first hand. Thank you for your service, I honor that.
I was asking about your comment comparing the subsidy you receive for your care in Mexico, and in that context, asked if you served in the Mexican
military. You see where I'm headed? It's not about Dennis being a sacred cow, in fact face-to-face I would have a lot to say to him. It's about his
service and the care or compensation he is now receiving. Neither you, nor I, have any place even commenting about that. And the comment you made is a
disgrace, plain and simple. Having served in a war, I am surprised you would not be sensitive to that.
To make it perfectly clear - you implied that Dennis is a freeloader. I am saying that receiving taxpayer-subsidized services in mexico, you might
want to rethink that position. |
No, no, no. Check your facts. It was Dennis who said I was a leech on society. I merely pointed out that he's receiving benefits from our government,
too--or don't you get the "pot calling the kettle black" saying? If you are really interested, look up the Seguro Popular program for yourself, you
will find it has nothing to do with the military. It is open to "residents" of Mexico. And, as a socialized medical insurance plan, I certainly do pay
into it, my property taxes, car registration, fideicomiso, IVA on everything. Where's that freeloader you were talking about, or don't you understand
the principles of "socialized"?
No sacred cows, indeed.
[Edited on 7-31-2011 by Bajatripper] |
Dude,
1. I never said it has anything to do with the military. Develop your reading skills. YOU compared to what you receive with tricare, get it?
2. You really think that this program could function without government subsidies? Just what have you contributed to Mexican society that entitles you
to draw from the government. Are you starting to see the light? I certainly am. I totally understand why you would feel no problem since you are
clueless.
Carry on. |
Ah, what's the use, Robbie boy, the lights are on, but nobody's home. Have a good one.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ricardo
Hey I'm just quoting some info from a US source. sort of liking casting a lure and see who bites, Got two in the boat already. LOL
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You are undoubtedly an idiot. LOL. |
Ah yes, if logic and reason turn out to be an impediment, resort to name calling. You are only reflecting the emptiness of your argument. I suppose
that makes me an idiot, too, to go along with the title of biggest a-hole on the board I recently had bestowed on me. You two are fine company.
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SO does that mean, you don't think he's an idiot? 
Precisely what points that could be rebutted did he make? He basically said, "I didn't really mean it, I was just throwing things out to get a
response". A true beginning for intelligent discourse. Jeez, what is it with this place?
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
Ah, what's the use, Robbie boy, the lights are on, but nobody's home. Have a good one. |
Finally something we can agree on. Let me know when you complete that remedial reading class.
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twarnt
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
It is open to "residents" of Mexico. And, as a socialized medical insurance plan, I certainly do pay into it, my property taxes, car registration,
fideicomiso, IVA on everything. Where's that freeloader you were talking about, or don't you understand the principles of "socialized"?
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Seguro Popular is not open to just any "resident" of Mexico, per se. It is open to the poorest of the poor in Mexico. If you work for a regular
employer, where the employer has to pay for the other medical plan, IMSS, you are not eligible for Seguro Popular. Same if you are a government
employee, you have to use ISSSST. Military and other unions have their own medical plans and are not eligible. Seguro Popular is designed to be a
safety net for the poorest Mexicans.
There is a sliding scale premium schedule and only the very lowest tiers are free. If you have a military pension, you income puts you in the highest
fee schedule and you should be paying about $1,000 per year. I found out your wife is Mexican, so I guess you snuck in as her dependent. What did you
tell them your income and assets were when you signed up?
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Healthcare
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
Someone has to pay for it, it's not free. basically the US system is set up on a pay as you go type system thru insurance companies. [Edited on
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You're right, of course. But, in my opinion, health care shouldn't be a "for profit" industry any more than should prisons. The only purpose of having
insurance companies involved in health care is to generate profits for shareholders. They serve no other purpose. But the might of the dollars that
the industry's lobbiests in Congress spread around makes it difficult to break the cycle as our government (both parties) has been bought and paid
for. The nation is run for the exclusive benefit of those who have at the expense of the rest of us.
This is best demonstrated by how some major corporations (GE comes to mind) pay no taxes, and indeed, get rebates. Let's remember that the wealthy
had to pay 90 percent in the years following WWII--which was also one of the most progressive periods in US history. Now they think that 39 or 35
percent tax rate is an outrage.
In fact, if I'm not mistaken we're the only industrialized nation on Earth that doesn't have universal health care.
And, contrary to popular belief, we do indeed have socialized medicine in our nation. While in the military, I made extensive use of their socialized
medicine and now, as a military retiree , I enjoy the Tricare benefit, which costs around $400/year for family coverage. Medicare is another fine
example of socialized medicine. Add to that the medical coverage members of congress enjoy for life, and one must wonder when the public at large will
get fed up of paying for insurance company profits. Our system is nothing to be proud of. If Mexico can do this for its people, I can't accept that
the richest nation on Earth can't.
Study after study have shown the benefits of early treatment of health issues, yet our system doesn't allow for that. We all pay in the form of
contageous diseases going untreated.
A society is only as strong as its weakest link.
[Edited on 7-31-2011 by Bajatripper] |
Very well said.
I have Kaiser in the states AND sciatica. While you see the doc for your precious 8 minutes, they tell you "you are just getting older, here's some
drugs".
Found the solution here with a rheumatologist, paid out of pocket which is less than the $50 Kaiser co-pay and feeling MUCH better now.
In the US, the emperor has no clothes...
*Be the man your dog thinks you are
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1.-Mexican social security health care is pretty good when it comes down to non life threatening care.
2.-Some Mex hospitals are actually very good when it comes to some serious diseases, like cancer treatment, etc etc (but none can be found in baja
sur).
3.-The new salvatierra hospital in La Paz is a disaster, it pretty much has to be re-built because of the cheap materials, bad construction, and lack
of quality control (this from a top social security big shot).
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Sallysouth
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Geez.This whole thread should be in the Off-Topic forum.And isn't even a full moon!
Happiness is just a Baja memory away...
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JoeJustJoe
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Bajatripper great to see the doctors in Mexico took care of you for $70 dollars a year. That sounds like great basic coverage, but it does sound a
little like an HMO. But hey the price is great again, and besides if you wanted surgery or something like that you probably would want to get that in
the USA if you had Medicare, or some type of insurance. But again I can't believe what great service you got for just $70 dollars and were even
allowed to see specialists.
I see there was no MRI taken, and to really find out what's going on probably a MRI would need to be taken, but x-Rays also show a lot, and even in
the states getting doctors to take an MRI is sometimes like pulling teeth depending on your doctor and Insurance company.
In the states they will often treat back problems by telling you to lose weight which could really be insulting if you had back problems all your life
and even when you were thin. It looks like the Mexican doctors did the same things they do in the state. Anti-inflammation, muscle relaxants, and pain
management is usually what I get in the states, and Bajatripper looks like he got similar treatment.
A Trauma Specialists sounds unusual here. In the states I usually am referred to a orthopedic or neurologist specialist for back problems. I also
tried Acupuncture and Chiropractors with some success or at least as good as the usual medical treatment with drugs.
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What's with the "war hero" stories in a tread about medical treatment in Mexico?
What's with the trolling and bashing medical treatment in Mexico by Roberto? Roberto can you speak from personal experience, and how do we always
know "Baja Nomad" war stories are true? I for one will not salute any so-called war Veteran's of "Baja Nomad" unless the war hero posts there
military records. The same goes for airplane pilots.
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
It is open to "residents" of Mexico. And, as a socialized medical insurance plan, I certainly do pay into it, my property taxes, car registration,
fideicomiso, IVA on everything. Where's that freeloader you were talking about, or don't you understand the principles of "socialized"?
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Seguro Popular is not open to just any "resident" of Mexico, per se. It is open to the poorest of the poor in Mexico. If you work for a regular
employer, where the employer has to pay for the other medical plan, IMSS, you are not eligible for Seguro Popular. Same if you are a government
employee, you have to use ISSSST. Military and other unions have their own medical plans and are not eligible. Seguro Popular is designed to be a
safety net for the poorest Mexicans.
There is a sliding scale premium schedule and only the very lowest tiers are free. If you have a military pension, you income puts you in the highest
fee schedule and you should be paying about $1,000 per year. I found out your wife is Mexican, so I guess you snuck in as her dependent. What did you
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It's nice to see you posting again Jenny/Arrowhead/Fulano. NOT!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
I for one will not salute any so-called war Veteran's of "Baja Nomad" unless the war hero posts there military records. The same goes for airplane
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It will be a sad day for mankind when anyone here feels they have to prove anything to you, Joe. Why don't you just stay in a realm you're familiar
with...like the Tijuana sewer system or something like that. 
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The only thing I know about the Mexican Public Health System is that those on the program stand in a line which runs around the building at the
"Clinic" in San Felipe on health days. Ya better bring your lunch cuz ya gonna be there for hours. Then you get sent to Mexicali for more extensive care.
Just can't wait for Obamacare, so us gringos can experience the wonders of this socialized medicine stuff.
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